Define a vintage engine

larkshall · July 8, 2015

Saw a cortina mk3 on road today, model L in that god awful yellow. It was driving into Tescos in York

Veteran engine definition, designed in 19th century, built up until 1914.

Vintage designed first qtr 20th century, built until 1939.

Classic designed 1939 to 1950 built until 1960.

Modern designed up until now

Discuss!

Alternatively if it revs past 1000rpm

Incorporates any plastic ancillary

Utilises high pressure fuel system

Needs electricity to start or run

Can be handcranked.

**DHutch** · July 9, 2015

I broke 2 x type E in my Capri, fitted a type 9 out of a Sierra which made it a good motorway muncher but killed the fun a little as it was quite long legged.

Never had the money for an MT 75 with some choice ratios - its by far the strongest box available, but required a bit of faffing to fit.

Happy Days

Scrappies used to be awash with RWD ford stuff, guess they are a bit thin on the ground these days? Can't remember the last time I saw a Sierra on the road, let alone anything earlier!

As you say, a type 9 or similar now goes for very real money even in 'sold as seen' condition. Fortnaulty while an engine out job mine just needed 70p worth of roll pin in the selector shaft.

The cars light, on 13's and with good power so if anything the issue with the type 9 is that first is verging in pointless. ..

Daniel

ROBDEN · July 12, 2015

If the tillerist is wearing a collar and tie, and a bib and brace, I think, that they think they have a vintage engine.

Why do some dress like that anyway?

I used to live in a Victorian house but didn't dress in Victorian clothes.

Phil Ambrose · July 12, 2015

(sticks head above parapet) I don't really care what the lump is in my engine 'ole just as long as it is reliable and makes my boat move through the water.

Must admit though that I do enjoy hearing an engine going "Domp-Domp-Domp"

Phil

TheBiscuits · July 31, 2015

Must admit though that I do enjoy hearing an engine going "Domp-Domp-Domp"

Phil

That's a bad noise from a Beta 43!

peterboat · July 31, 2015

Once you get away from the cooking models, things like the Mk 3 Golf VR6 Escort Cossie/RS2000 and even the Marina TC have a little more appeal, but as you say, the term Classic is wide ranging and over used - especially when applied to stuff that is just old sh!te that was crap in its day, and unlike a fine wine, not aged well either

Which is exactly why 1500/1800 bmcs should be removed and thrown away when they break they were crap when first introduced and they aint going to get better with age

As you say, a type 9 or similar now goes for very real money even in 'sold as seen' condition. Fortnaulty while an engine out job mine just needed 70p worth of roll pin in the selector shaft.

The cars light, on 13's and with good power so if anything the issue with the type 9 is that first is verging in pointless. ..

Daniel

I have a type 9 in my moggie pickup makes it a much nicer drive if the 1275 a series was to go bang I would replace it with a zetec in a jiffy

Peter

PS watched a cossie go through H and H auctions on wednsday made 23 K plus commission and vat and a 78 3 litre capri needing part paint do 10.5 K expensive cars now days

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alan_fincher · August 1, 2015

Not vintage, not veteran, probably not classic either but it's our Sabb 2g 22hp from 1977. We are still fond of it.

These are wonderful things - I always lusted after them when new, and I still love to see them now.

Why care whether it is vintage/veteran/classic - they just make a great narrow boat engine.

Far more sensible in my view than some lumbering great Gardner or Kelvin that is at least twice as powrful as is sensible in the boat involved.

starman · August 1, 2015

A vintage engine is:

One that you ask advice about on CWF rather than to RCR

One you have to make your own gaskets for

One you can't get spares for

One that is (to vary degrees) self basting

One you display and polish rather than hide and stand on

One whose smoke you're happy to inhale from the helm

Well that's mine anyway.

Edited August 1, 2015 by starman

MtB · August 1, 2015

A vintage engine is:

One that you ask advice about on CWF rather than to RCR

One you have to make your own gaskets for

One you can't get spares for

One that is (to vary degrees) self basting

One you display and polish rather than hide and stand on

One whose smoke you're happy to inhale from the helm

Well that's mine anyway.

I think one line that pretty much sums it up. If people on the towpath regularly stop and engage you in conversation asking "what's that you've got in there?" then you can safely say you have a vintage engine.

Polishing it optional though...

Tonka · August 1, 2015

I think one line that pretty much sums it up. If people on the towpath regularly stop and engage you in conversation asking "what's that you've got in there?" then you can safely say you have a vintage engine.

Polishing it optional though...

According to Mtb a Beta Tug Engine is vintage as this happens to me all the time

MtB · August 1, 2015

According to Mtb a Beta Tug Engine is vintage as this happens to me all the time

They are probably asking in horror...

**Athy** · August 2, 2015

A vintage engine is:

One that you ask advice about on CWF rather than to RCR

One you have to make your own gaskets for

One you can't get spares for

One that is (to vary degrees) self basting

One you display and polish rather than hide and stand on

One whose smoke you're happy to inhale from the helm

Well that's mine anyway.

Slightly O.T., but I saw your last boat 'Star' at Cropredy yesterday, looking and sounding very well. Petter PH2, is it?

alan_fincher · August 2, 2015

I think one line that pretty much sums it up. If people on the towpath regularly stop and engage you in conversation asking "what's that you've got in there?" then you can safely say you have a vintage engine.

Polishing it optional though...

Frankly "people on the towpath" are not too reliable. We are regularly told that Sickle has a great sounding engine, and several times I have been asked if it is a Bolinder(!)

It is actually a 1963 built Lister HA3....................

MtB · August 2, 2015

I get regularly asked if it's a Bolinder too. And 'is it a steam engine?'.

Sometimes I'm really naughty and take the path of least resistance, and just answer 'yes'...

Ray T · August 2, 2015

Define a vintage engine? One that makes me do this:

This?

Edited August 2, 2015 by Ray T

starman · August 2, 2015

Slightly O.T., but I saw your last boat 'Star' at Cropredy yesterday, looking and sounding very well. Petter PH2, is it?

Yes, it is a Petter PH2W - great old engine. We saw him as well further down the Oxford. And we saw your boat at Cropredy too.

MtB · August 2, 2015

Define a vintage engine? One that makes me do this:

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This?

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A gardner 1L2 I suspect...

**Athy** · August 2, 2015

A gardner 1L2 I suspect...

So do I - and doesn't that photo just sum it up? (Though it is not clear whether the chap has a beard).

jonesthenuke · August 2, 2015

So do I - and doesn't that photo just sum it up? (Though it is not clear whether the chap has a beard).

Nah, the painted aluminium parts are a give away, a vintage engine would have them polished, not red

(Now looking for body armour)

MtB · August 2, 2015

So do I - and doesn't that photo just sum it up? (Though it is not clear whether the chap has a beard).

That's an interesting point. I seem to have six vintage engines and no beard.

Is this a record?

furnessvale · August 2, 2015

A gardner 1L2 I suspect...

Although, unless Brian has recently had an engine transplant, the photos do not correlate.

ELK has a Petter PD2 which is definitely not the engine in the second photo.

George ex nb Alton retired

MtB · August 2, 2015

Although, unless Brian has recently had an engine transplant, the photos do not correlate.

ELK has a Petter PD2 which is definitely not the engine in the second photo.

George ex nb Alton retired

I wondered about that. I thought I would recognise a boat with a 1L2 but I didn't, so chose not to name it.

Ray T · August 3, 2015

Although, unless Brian has recently had an engine transplant, the photos do not correlate.

ELK has a Petter PD2 which is definitely not the engine in the second photo.

George ex nb Alton retired

To clear up any confusion, the two photo's only relate in that they were taken on the same holiday. The Gardner is not in ELK, I didn't actually take a photo of the boat which housed the Gardner as it was a fairly modern one.

The character looking in the engine room of Elk is me and I didn't have a beard.

**Athy** · August 3, 2015

That's an interesting point. I seem to have six vintage engines and no beard.

Aarrrgghhh! A mutant!!!

bag 'o' bones · August 3, 2015

Use of the the term 'vintage' is similar to the word 'engineer'

i.e. rarely used in a proper context!

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