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Today a Rothens workboat Uranus fought its way through ice on our moorings, the ice is over 2 inches thick and caused havoc with swans, ducks and boats as it pushed them out of the way! I phoned both CRT and Rotherns which got me nowhere! The ice lifted the plastic cruiser out of the water so I think it counts as potentially damaging to move! I know they have to get on with things but these are our boats and if one had sunk who would have been to blame?

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1 minute ago, peterboat said:

Today a Rothens workboat Uranus fought its way through ice on our moorings, the ice is over 2 inches thick and caused havoc with swans, ducks and boats as it pushed them out of the way! I phoned both CRT and Rotherns which got me nowhere! The ice lifted the plastic cruiser out of the water so I think it counts as potentially damaging to move! I know they have to get on with things but these are our boats and if one had sunk who would have been to blame?

The plastic boat owners as they should have protected/removed their boat before the frost I expect will be the answer

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I suppose it depends if there was a genuine need to move the boat, or if it was a jolly for the operator and not much will be getting done at the new location. 

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1 hour ago, BoatingLifeUpNorth2 said:

Is the Tanker running this week?

 That will definitely shift the ice and anything stuck in it❄️❄️

Off Roader has been up and back too.

I've always understood it's the moored boat owner who must take the necessary steps. Fuel boats need to get through to service their customers, mostly boaters, all over the system!  Some passenger boats run all year too. 

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I had a NB go past yesterday, -2/+2C the ice was minimal tbf, but the noise was horrendous, poor Fernando.

It's all thawed today +4C.

 

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1 hour ago, LadyG said:

I had a NB go past yesterday, -2/+2C the ice was minimal tbf, but the noise was horrendous, poor Fernando.

It's all thawed today +4C.

 

The noise is something else even when they just slide by 

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2 hours ago, BoatingLifeUpNorth2 said:

Is the Tanker running this week?

 That will definitely shift the ice and anything stuck in it❄️❄️

The Tanker declined to run to avoid damaging boats as the ice was that thick!

2 hours ago, Paul C said:

A commercial boat operating on a commercial waterway, seems fair enough to me.

 

How is a boat being lifted out of water damaging to it?

It was a large slab of thick ice that rammed into its side and slid under the boat lifting it out of the water. It was totally unacceptable really as the flight no doubt will be iced up as well I think its going up there to do work. It had to drop its pans off the ram its way through the ice, the first boat was only blacked last year looks like its wants doing again

2 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

The plastic boat owners as they should have protected/removed their boat before the frost I expect will be the answer

Shouldn't have to is the answer as there isn't room in the boatyard to put them there

2 hours ago, MtB said:

Ice in the canal? 

 

In January?

 

No-one could have forecast THAT and taken appropriate precautions to protect their boat, could they?!! 

 

 

How?

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1 hour ago, fanshaft said:

Off Roader has been up and back too.

I've always understood it's the moored boat owner who must take the necessary steps. Fuel boats need to get through to service their customers, mostly boaters, all over the system!  Some passenger boats run all year too. 

The trip boat that runs from Sheffield has run in the ice, going out prior to make a channel, as the Sheffield & Tinsley is still classed as a commercial waterway and as he says if boat owners like those that have GRP’s are worried, then they should remove their boats as they are not suitable. Trip boat will run if it can.

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28 minutes ago, peterboat said:

The Tanker declined to run to avoid damaging boats as the ice was that thick!

It was a large slab of thick ice that rammed into its side and slid under the boat lifting it out of the water. It was totally unacceptable really as the flight no doubt will be iced up as well I think its going up there to do work. It had to drop its pans off the ram its way through the ice, the first boat was only blacked last year looks like its wants doing again

Shouldn't have to is the answer as there isn't room in the boatyard to put them there

How?

By putting protective boards along side their boat is, I gather, the usual method of protecting GRP boats in frosty weather. 

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12 minutes ago, magnetman said:

Yes. Scaffold boards hung over the side. 

I have only seen that done once

13 minutes ago, magnetman said:

The ice breaking is I think one thing where attitudes have changed over the years. 

 

My first winter 94/95 was spent partly near Wolfhampcote. It froze over properly. Ernie Kendall used to take the restaurant Boat 'Bracken' out with people eating their lunch while crashing through the ice. It was brilliant. Everyone was enjoying it all including me in my little narrow Boat. 

 

These days people are moaning about it. The attitudes on the canal have changed enormously in the last 30 years and not for the better. 

 

 

 

If the Boat can't deal with ice then don't keep it on a canal in winter. 

That is very true. cries of its my home, you touched a fender. etc

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4 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

I have only seen that done once

That is very true. cries of its my home, you touched a fender. etc

The looks I had when I took my Boat along the Regents a few years ago with less than half an inch of ice. 

 

Its as if I had been killing and eating their babies. 

 

Very sad. 

 

That was London but on the other hand the Regents section of the Grand Union is an incredibly beautiful canal which everyone should be able to enjoy. Ice or no ice. 

 

Its completely infested with people who have zero interest in or understanding of the canal. 

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Back in the 1960's, we used to take Pisces through thick ice without a murmour of complaint from other boats. There were several Glass fibre boats  moored above the lock where we moored, they were always lifted out onto the bank every winter, except for one which did get sliced in half by a passing working boat, it took about 5 seconds to sink!  I can still remember the name of the working boat and it's captain, both still with us today.

 

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We lived on the wooden wide boat Progress at Cowley Peachey (nr. Uxbridge) in the late 50s-60s. There were still narrowboats trading, plus steel lighters towed by tractors from the towpath. When there was ice you would feel a slight tremor and hear a whining noise long before you could see them, getting progressively louder as the tow approached, and ending as a great crashing crescendo and with sheets of ice slithering across and in front of it. It was an awesome noise, and very impressive. Progress had ice plates on the bow, so we'd often cruise and enjoy the thrill from the steerer's side too.

 

Progress was only 12'6" beam and there was no problem at locks, but when we started with freight boats a little later ice was sometimes a p.i.t.a as you had to work the boats through one at a time as you couldn't get the gates right open.

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On the L&LC everyone available near the Yorkshire locks above the Skipton Pool would be hard at work passing ice downwards by the lock full. At river crossings, such at over the Aire at the top of Gargrave Locks, wooden slideways were erected in early October, and the ice which had been passed down the locks would be raked out and slid down into the river. It got rid of the ice permanently -- until the next hard frost.

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4 hours ago, peterboat said:

way through ice on our moorings, the ice is over 2 inches thick and caused havoc with swans, ducks and boats as it pushed them out of the way!

Oh dear, I've always considered OP to be a reasonable geezer. 
Perhaps he's having a bad day, we all get them.

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1 hour ago, magnetman said:

The looks I had when I took my Boat along the Regents a few years ago with less than half an inch of ice. 

 

Its as if I had been killing and eating their babies. 

 

Very sad. 

 

That was London but on the other hand the Regents section of the Grand Union is an incredibly beautiful canal which everyone should be able to enjoy. Ice or no ice. 

 

Its completely infested with people who have zero interest in or understanding of the canal. 

But you forgot that said boat(er)s do not think that boats should/have to move anyway!

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2 hours ago, zenataomm said:

Oh dear, I've always considered OP to be a reasonable geezer. 
Perhaps he's having a bad day, we all get them.

The boat concerned Uranus had to reverse of and ram the ice it was so thick at the turn point it kept on doing this, in reality there was no point the locks further up are frozen solid as well, it had 2 pans and a digger On a another pan at the front. It goes into a river section which is in the red so if something goes wrong it's in the weir for them. All seems pointless as in a couple of days the ice will be gone. Whilst our section of navigation is commercial at Rotherham Town lock it it was at one point a remainer waterway don't know if that has changed? Picture of ice below it was in a trailer and is over 3 inch thick same as the ice in the cut

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I take it they’re off to try and Dam the river at Tinsley lock 12 for the gate replacement? Supposed to be finished 14th March, must be the worst time of the year to try and Dam a river like the flood prone Don and replace river lock gates. But it’s a civil engineering company thats doing it I hear, not CaRT, so must know what they’re doing🤔

They probably gave up leaving them at Eastwood on the CaRT Commercial moorings for a few days, as no space as they’ve been occupied by encamped Contineous Cruisers sorry Contineous Moorers the last 2 years plus😂👍

 

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5 minutes ago, BoatingLifeUpNorth2 said:

I take it they’re off to try and Dam the river at Tinsley lock 12 for the gate replacement? Supposed to be finished 14th March, must be the worst time of the year to try and Dam a river like the flood prone Don and replace river lock gates. But it’s a civil engineering company thats doing it I hear, not CaRT, so must know what they’re doing🤔

They probably gave up leaving them at Eastwood on the CaRT Commercial mooring for a few days as no space, as they’ve been occupied by encamped Contineous Cruisers sorry Contineous Moorers the last 2 years plus😂👍

 

They left them at AMA, trouble is offroader delivers there, of course if CRT clearing the continuous moored off the commercial moorings at Eastwood would help as you say. Water levels are projected to rise rapidly on the Don so they will be lucky methinks to Dam the Don there?

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11 hours ago, peterboat said:

The boat concerned Uranus had to reverse of and ram the ice it was so thick at the turn point it kept on doing this, in reality there was no point the locks further up are frozen solid as well, it had 2 pans and a digger On a another pan at the front. It goes into a river section which is in the red so if something goes wrong it's in the weir for them. All seems pointless as in a couple of days the ice will be gone. Whilst our section of navigation is commercial at Rotherham Town lock it it was at one point a remainer waterway don't know if that has changed? Picture of ice below it was in a trailer and is over 3 inch thick same as the ice in the cut

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I think we are left hoping not too much ice goes up the sides of Uranus whilst navigating through this stuff then Peter. 
 

 

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I tried to cruise yesterday, just couldn't get away from the towpath without an excessive effort. The ice was still a couple of inches thick and I got tired of breaking it with my boathook. Shame, it's fun going through ice. Had to make do with a 1.5hr round trip by bike to empty a cassette and bring back 20l of water.

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