A plea to dog owners on the cut (and general)

[magnetman]

4 minutes ago, haggis said:

 

It is up to the new owner to update the microchip record when they acquire a dog from a breeder or rescue centre. 

 

So pretty pointless then? 

 

I've just bought a Bully XL from some dodgy breeder and I'm going to go online right away and make sure it is linked to me personally. Not. 

[LadyG]

Just now, mrsmelly said:

I disagree, if the poor dog needs treatment its not its fault its not chipped.

Vets don't work for nothing, they all insist on payment. That is why my Fernando ended up in Yorkshire Rescue who paid for his treatment.

[haggis]

1 minute ago, LadyG said:

My local vet practice in Scotland ,part of a large group had this ruling , not sure if it's a Law.

Don't think it is but nothing to stop a vet having this condition. Hopefully they would treat the dog after the owner agreed to it being microchipped. A job which takes seconds and I don't know if it still free or not. 

[Jon57]

4 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

I disagree, if the poor dog needs treatment its not its fault its not chipped

Same when the first question is have you insurance. Wtf has that got to do with treatment. Unless they what to stick it up you sort of speek. 😡

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Jon57 said:

Same when the first question is have you insurance. Wtf has that got to do with treatment. Unless they what to stick it up you sort of speek. 😡

 

Funny enough we had to seek the advice of a vet this week whilst on holiday and I was completely surprised that the vet unfamiliar with our dog and his insurance didn't ask this question.

 

The occasional time we have seen a vet on holiday they have always asked.

[cuthound]

10 hours ago, M_JG said:

 

I dont use an extendable lead. They are dangerous.

 

I dont allow my dog to jump up at others, you said 'all' earlier, so I must perhaps be the only dog owner who doesnt do this.

 

Not the only one. I don't allow my dog to jump up at people either.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Jon57 said:

Same when the first question is have you insurance. Wtf has that got to do with treatment. Unless they what to stick it up you sort of speek. 😡

 

I've had dogs almost all of my life, treated by numerous vets, and I've never been asked that question. 

Edited September 22, 2023 by cuthound
To insert spaces between merged posts

[alias]

1 hour ago, magnetman said:

Microchips are interesting..

 

I was always intrigued by it as they appear to be linked to a subscription service.

 

One day after having my dog for about a decade (battersea dogs home microchipped in 1989) I asked a vet about it. He did get a serial number but there was no reference to her being my bitch. 

 

Maybe its different these days but someone somewhere is going to want paying to keep the database live. 

 

 

 

A .gov service would be useful but does it exist? 

 

In one I used I think there was an upfront payment, and subsequent charges for change of address, contact details etc. For my last acquisition from a rescue there was no charge for change of owner. 

 

My previous dog came up on a microchip search database as a small horse. There was a charge to change this, so I let it be on the basis that most vets could tell the difference between a terrier and a horse, and the contact details were accurate.

 

ISTR that there was a problem with one of the chip details companies going under a few years ago, but I think one of the other providers added that database to their own FOC.  Always worth the occasional ask at the vets to check that there is still a readable chip in your animal, and that the contact details come back to you.

[Sea Dog]

12 minutes ago, alias said:

My previous dog came up on a microchip search database as a small horse. There was a charge to change this...

I wouldn't pay to change my dog into a small horse whatever her chip said. Too much work and cost involved in keeping a horse. 

[magnetman]

My mum paid a pony for one of her lurchers from some word removeds parked in a layby with their caravans near RAF Lakenheath. 

 

1987. Bargain. 

There was a misunderstanding. We had two ponies in the horsebox behind the Daihatsu I think they wanted one of those but when she got twenty five quid out they seemed ok so we got away with the ponies and the dog. 

 

[alias]

13 minutes ago, magnetman said:

My mum paid a pony for one of her lurchers from some word removeds parked in a layby with their caravans near RAF Lakenheath. 

 

1987. Bargain. 

There was a misunderstanding. We had two ponies in the horsebox behind the Daihatsu I think they wanted one of those but when she got twenty five quid out they seemed ok so we got away with the ponies and the dog. 

 

 

Some might suspect that this story is a load of pony, but not me as I am a trusting soul. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, alias said:

 

Some might suspect that this story is a load of pony, but not me as I am a trusting soul. 

 

Neigh, never.....

[magnetman]

12 minutes ago, alias said:

 

Some might suspect that this story is a load of pony, but not me as I am a trusting soul. 

 

Its actually true. We were traveling back from Norfolk to Surrey with our Dartmoor pony and my sister's large show pony (can't remember the breed but won a lot of competitions) in the horsebox. 

 

Daihatsu Fourtrak. Nice old motor that was but rust problems. 

 

 

 

 

 

'Dogs for sale' sign so my mum who was looking for a dog after the divorce was right in there. £25 each. Coursing dogs meant to be brindle came out with white bits so no use as too visible. 

 

She (pyewacket the lurcher) was just like a jack russell as a puppy but grew to be a proper long dog with real attitude. Bit of saluki in there I think. 

 

 

Edited September 22, 2023 by magnetman
freudian lisp

[Naughty Cal]

2 hours ago, LadyG said:

My local vet practice in Scotland ,part of a large group had this ruling , not sure if it's a Law.

No it isn't. 

 

Syd wasn't chipped when we acquired him. Our vets were very helpful and assisted us greatly with getting him back to full health. 

 

He is now of course chipped and registered with our details. His chip has however migrated from his neck to his shoulder which confused the French vet no end and probably wouldn't be helpful if he did get lost!

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

No it isn't. 

 

Syd wasn't chipped when we acquired him. Our vets were very helpful and assisted us greatly with getting him back to full health. 

 

He is now of course chipped and registered with our details. His chip has however migrated from his neck to his shoulder which confused the French vet no end and probably wouldn't be helpful if he did get lost!

 

Simon's has moved into the right side of his neck and the vets often struggle to find it unless I show them where it is.

 

The scanners that Eurotunnel use seem to find it straight away, without the need to get too close. I dont know if theirs are somehow more sensitive.

[booke23]

11 hours ago, haggis said:

I think Covid has a lot to answer for. People who had never had a dog before bought one as "it would be nice to have company when taking our exercise". Because of Covid many dog training establishments were not open and the result is a lot of dogs who don't know the boundaries and behave badly. These "new" owners seem to think that is OK dog behaviour.

 

Yes you've hit the nail on the head with a lot of recent dog purchases....and of course a lot of these people were working from home for an extended period so the dogs were never left alone. Cue serious separation problems when they returned to work. 

 

I remember a dog trainer once telling me that you need to do everything you ever intend to do with your dog by 6 months of age....leaving them alone, driving them in the car etc etc. After this age it is very difficult to resolve issues caused by poor upbringing. 

[ditchcrawler]

6 minutes ago, booke23 said:

I remember a dog trainer once telling me that you need to do everything you ever intend to do with your dog by 6 months of age....leaving them alone, driving them in the car etc etc. After this age it is very difficult to resolve issues caused by poor upbringing. 

I was listening to a gun dog trainer at Henham Steam fair at the weekend and he said you train a dog from the moment you get it. 

[Grassman]

22 hours ago, magnetman said:

Agreed @Mike Tee

 

One of the things which really winds me up is when someone has some stupid dog which is untrained and not responding to commands. The owner will keep hollering forever and the dog completely ignores the owner.  Eventually the owner comes and gets the dog and once it has been retrieved the owner says "Good Boy" and rewards the dog. 

 

 

 

 

 

I know somebody who with the aid of treats, trained their dog to sit. All well and good except that the dog now randomly sits for no particular reason and the owner gives him a treat every time. The dog has in effect trained the owner!

 

[mrsmelly]

This is the kind of madness that idiots allow!!

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, mrsmelly said:

This is the kind of madness that idiots allow!!

 

 

 

Frightening!

[Machpoint005]

14 hours ago, booke23 said:

>> I remember a dog trainer once telling me that you need to do everything you ever intend to do with your dog by 6 months of age....leaving them alone, driving them in the car etc etc. After this age it is very difficult to resolve issues caused by poor upbringing. 

 

Much the same as (human) children, then.

 

 

Slightly different time frame -- but only slightly!

 

 

[Naughty Cal]

17 hours ago, M_JG said:

 

Simon's has moved into the right side of his neck and the vets often struggle to find it unless I show them where it is.

 

The scanners that Eurotunnel use seem to find it straight away, without the need to get too close. I dont know if theirs are somehow more sensitive.

I'm glad you said that. We found it easily with the Eurotunnel scanners but had more trouble with the French vets scanner.

 

Going to broach the subject with our vet the next time we have to see him and see if the distance it has migrated is a problem. Hopefully not as this is already his second chip (which has confused his vaccination record), the first one having fell out! 

17 hours ago, booke23 said:

 

Yes you've hit the nail on the head with a lot of recent dog purchases....and of course a lot of these people were working from home for an extended period so the dogs were never left alone. Cue serious separation problems when they returned to work. 

 

I remember a dog trainer once telling me that you need to do everything you ever intend to do with your dog by 6 months of age....leaving them alone, driving them in the car etc etc. After this age it is very difficult to resolve issues caused by poor upbringing. 

We have always said that Syd would be a completely different dog had we got him as a pup.

 

He was 18 months old (ish) when we acquired him and he has been hard work to get to the dog that we have now. He will never be the perfect dog, far from it and he has his issues (which is hardly surprising given his poor start in life) but we have done what we can and continue to work on giving him the best possible chance. 

 

He is a completely different dog to the one we first met in so many ways.

4 hours ago, mrsmelly said:

This is the kind of madness that idiots allow!!

 

 

Cropped ears say all that needs saying about the owners as well. ☹️

[cuthound]

17 hours ago, booke23 said:

 

Yes you've hit the nail on the head with a lot of recent dog purchases....and of course a lot of these people were working from home for an extended period so the dogs were never left alone. Cue serious separation problems when they returned to work. 

 

I remember a dog trainer once telling me that you need to do everything you ever intend to do with your dog by 6 months of age....leaving them alone, driving them in the car etc etc. After this age it is very difficult to resolve issues caused by poor upbringing. 

 

Probably true, Zeus my reactive rescue GSD was fourteen months old when we got him and he had never had any training or socialisation, except for his previous owners Staffie, which he got pregnant as soon as he matured. This dog then began to attack him, to protect her puppies, so they banished Zeus to the garden. He began to bark incessantly, the neighbours complained, the council issued a noise abatement notice and he had to be rehomed.  

 

When we got him he was brilliant with people and children (they had six) but wanted to kill every dog he met. He didn't even know how to sit.

 

He quickly responded to training for new things, and achieved the highest level of obedience training that his trainer offered before he was three,  but reducing the reactivity was a long and hard process, which was still ongoing when he died aged seven.

 

He certainly wasn't the easiest dog I've owned but he was by far the most rewarding.

Edited September 23, 2023 by cuthound
To add the last paragraph

[Naughty Cal]

12 minutes ago, cuthound said:

 

Probably true, Zeus my reactive rescue GSD was fourteen months old when we got him and he had never had any training or socialisation, except for his previous owners Staffie, which he got pregnant as soon as he matured. This dog then began to attack him, to protect her puppies, so they banished Zeus to the garden. He began to bark incessantly, the neighbours complained, the council issued a noise abatement notice and he had to be rehomed.  

 

When we got him he was brilliant with people and children (they had six) but wanted to kill every dog he met. He didn't even know how to sit.

 

He quickly responded to training for new things, and achieved the highest level of obedience training that his trainer offered before he was three,  but reducing the reactivity was a long and hard process, which was still ongoing when he died aged seven.

 

He certainly wasn't the easiest dog I've owned but he was by far the most rewarding.

Seven is no age at all. 😥

 

Syd is (at our best guess) seven in October. Hope we have many more years to share with him yet 🥺

 

Both Liam and I were brought up with bigger dogs and working dogs growing up. We have both said that the little idiot we have now is much harder work than they ever were! 

 

As you say though, rewarding and worth every second of effort put in.

[cuthound]

10 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said:

Seven is no age at all. 😥

 

Syd is (at our best guess) seven in October. Hope we have many more years to share with him yet 🥺

 

Both Liam and I were brought up with bigger dogs and working dogs growing up. We have both said that the little idiot we have now is much harder work than they ever were! 

 

As you say though, rewarding and worth every second of effort put in.

 

Yes, poor Zeus died early. He was diagnosed with an inoperable tumour on his liver.

 

Generally the smaller the dog the longer they last.

 

Big dogs tend to last 10-12 years (although my first Labrador lasted until he was 16) and small dogs 14-17 years.

[Naughty Cal]

Just now, cuthound said:

 

Yes, poor Zeus died early. He was diagnosed with an inoperable tumour on his liver.

 

Generally the smaller the dog the longer they last.

 

Big dogs tend to last 10-12 years (although my first Labrador lasted until he was 16) and small dogs 14-17 years.

Poor Zeus.

 

All of the breeds Syd is made up of (according to the DNA test, Schnauzer, Poodle, Bichon Frise, Pomeranian and Chihuahua) are all long lived. So hopefully with a bit of luck and hope on our side we should have many years left barring any unexpected incidents or accidents.

 

Here's hoping anyway. (For the minute anyway while he seems to be on his best behaviour. No doubt he is just playing the long game and setting us up for a fail!)