Annie cariad Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 How can you,if at all,put the age to a windlass . Got a couple that are single ended look really old but are they ,what age ,any value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 Pictures would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 As has been said, pictures are needed. The whole windlass thing has been on my mind for some time, there seems to be a dearth of anything decent available these days. Admittedly, I’m a dyed in the wool traditionalist with a few proper taper headed ones, mostly acquired years ago, a couple of historics more years than I care to remember. A while back, a Facebook post and photo showed wear to the corners of a paddle spindle, the poster laying the blame on the modern parallel plate things with laser cut holes. These only give minimal contact with the spindle and I think would easily slip. Curious, I looked online and found only those and some aluminium headed ones available from chandleries. The aluminium headed one seemed to have a couple of holes without a taper, again making for a poor fit. Both types seem to be in common use by boaters and volunteers alike. The exception if you can source one are the Dunton windlass, a very different kettle of fish. I find it disheartening in this day and age that this situation persists, an idea shared by my fellow old timers. I suspect that the cost of a decent forged or cast windlass with a proper tapered shank and handle set at less than 90 degrees would put many boaters off buying one. A shame. What think you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, dave moore said: As has been said, pictures are needed. The whole windlass thing has been on my mind for some time, there seems to be a dearth of anything decent available these days. Admittedly, I’m a dyed in the wool traditionalist with a few proper taper headed ones, mostly acquired years ago, a couple of historics more years than I care to remember. A while back, a Facebook post and photo showed wear to the corners of a paddle spindle, the poster laying the blame on the modern parallel plate things with laser cut holes. These only give minimal contact with the spindle and I think would easily slip. Curious, I looked online and found only those and some aluminium headed ones available from chandleries. The aluminium headed one seemed to have a couple of holes without a taper, again making for a poor fit. Both types seem to be in common use by boaters and volunteers alike. The exception if you can source one are the Dunton windlass, a very different kettle of fish. I find it disheartening in this day and age that this situation persists, an idea shared by my fellow old timers. I suspect that the cost of a decent forged or cast windlass with a proper tapered shank and handle set at less than 90 degrees would put many boaters off buying one. A shame. What think you? I got my Dunton from eBay, it is rather light, but certainly a good fit on spindles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, dave moore said: As has been said, pictures are needed. The whole windlass thing has been on my mind for some time, there seems to be a dearth of anything decent available these days. Admittedly, I’m a dyed in the wool traditionalist with a few proper taper headed ones, mostly acquired years ago, a couple of historics more years than I care to remember. A while back, a Facebook post and photo showed wear to the corners of a paddle spindle, the poster laying the blame on the modern parallel plate things with laser cut holes. These only give minimal contact with the spindle and I think would easily slip. Curious, I looked online and found only those and some aluminium headed ones available from chandleries. The aluminium headed one seemed to have a couple of holes without a taper, again making for a poor fit. Both types seem to be in common use by boaters and volunteers alike. The exception if you can source one are the Dunton windlass, a very different kettle of fish. I find it disheartening in this day and age that this situation persists, an idea shared by my fellow old timers. I suspect that the cost of a decent forged or cast windlass with a proper tapered shank and handle set at less than 90 degrees would put many boaters off buying one. A shame. What think you? Totally agree Dave, trying to find a nicely weighted, tapered single headed windlass today is difficult. I can't stand modern double headed windlasses with square holes. I have a couple of nice windlasses that I have acquired and a recently purchased Dunton which is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 Googling images there seems not to be a picture of what I thought were a common windless like what I use. It’s a double headed one, with what I’m sure are tapered holes. With a sleeve over handle. Suits me sir. (please don’t miss off the ‘c’ on canal when googling for canal windless, comes up with some very different ideas) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lowe Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 A few Duntons on ebay, I found this odd one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 ^^ aint they the horror ones being referred to? Here this is the k8nd of thing I have always used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 this one was on ebay a few weeks ago and was talked about on here. a pocket windlass some one said with a tapered whole for small spindle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 Yea, lovely that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 It went for £123. Not to me. I've got an identical one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 I’d pay for such an item of beauty. Imagine whipping that out your trouser pocket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon57 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, magnetman said: It went for £123. Not to me. I've got an identical one. Didn’t sell relisted I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie cariad Posted April 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 Got three of these how do you put pictures on here Got some Duntons too Sell the basic ones for a fiver thinking I have missed out a bit ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmr Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, Goliath said: Googling images there seems not to be a picture of what I thought were a common windless like what I use. It’s a double headed one, with what I’m sure are tapered holes. With a sleeve over handle. Suits me sir. (please don’t miss off the ‘c’ on canal when googling for canal windless, comes up with some very different ideas) https://eveningharold.com/local-news/local/vandals-target-village-anal-museum-sign/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, Goliath said: ^^ aint they the horror ones being referred to? Here this is the k8nd of thing I have always used I thought the heads on them were tapered, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jon57 said: Didn’t sell relisted I think. I think it did sell. There is a similar small bronze on there now its not the same one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon57 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, magnetman said: I think it did sell. There is a similar small bronze on there now its not the same one. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lowe Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 There's a bronze one on ebay for £60 at the moment https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334832282370?hash=item4df58f2b02:g:8l0AAOSwnMxkOUbu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 Yes I think that might be one of Lawrence Hoggs windlasses. Not sure but it looks like it. Nice item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alway Swilby Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, ditchcrawler said: I thought the heads on them were tapered, The heads on ours are definitely tapered. I know because I've measured them. I have seen countless people using the large holes of a normal windlass on a small spindle. I feel this causes more damage to the spindle than using the small holes on one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Annie cariad said: How can you,if at all,put the age to a windlass . If you cut the shaft in half you should be able to count the rings. Or there's radio carbon dating... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Alway Swilby said: The heads on ours are definitely tapered. I know because I've measured them. I have seen countless people using the large holes of a normal windlass on a small spindle. I feel this causes more damage to the spindle than using the small holes on one of these. I know the heads on the double above are tapered are you saying the holes on the odd looking thing below are tapered too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Vectis Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 hours ago, magnetman said: Yes I think that might be one of Lawrence Hoggs windlasses. Not sure but it looks like it. Nice item. Yes. Come on, fess up! Who outbid me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alway Swilby Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, Goliath said: I know the heads on the double above are tapered are you saying the holes on the odd looking thing below are tapered too? Yes, on the smaller holes for the small spindles. The larger holes aren't tapered but neither are the large spindles they fit on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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