Wotzit Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 Newbie lee, I’m a novice boater ,56y, a carpenter from 16, in need of a new project/life venture. So I’ve just returned from a 5 day road trip hunt, racking up 1500 miles touring our canals looking for a narrow boat. On our finale leg near Bath on the k&A I found her,may be ? she’s a 47 footer, but has a seized rudder problem, I’m quite handy but I’ve no idea ,they’ve said it’s the glan seal baring thingy, where the tiller meets the barge has popped out? Any advice is welcome. ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PD1964 Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 Do you know who built the shell/hull? as I'm sure it's an easy fix, May need the Swan neck removed or may just need freeing up and put back into the cup, knowing the builder will give you a more comprehensive answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.i Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) Just wrote a longish reply to this and it's all disappeared. Have a couple of pictures instead which shows how it's all held together. Someone will be along to explain it Edited March 3, 2020 by pete.i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Wotzit said: Newbie lee, I’m a novice boater ,56y, a carpenter from 16, in need of a new project/life venture. So I’ve just returned from a 5 day road trip hunt, racking up 1500 miles touring our canals looking for a narrow boat. On our finale leg near Bath on the k&A I found her,may be ? she’s a 47 footer, but has a seized rudder problem, I’m quite handy but I’ve no idea ,they’ve said it’s the glan seal baring thingy, where the tiller meets the barge has popped out? Any advice is welcome. ?♂️ It might indicate that the boat hasn't been moved much and is poorly maintained. If it's just the top bearing siezed it might free up after soaking in penetrating oil or WD 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 If you’re a confident DIYer as you describe then I’m sure that a severe case of looking at it will show you how it all goes together and how to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmr Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 This is a very small problem on the grand scheme of things. A good boat yard will fix it in a day or less and with a few big tools you can maybe do it yourself. For example, removing swan neck and rudder, grinding off rudder bearing cup, machining new components, and putting it all back together, is a moderately routine operation. Over plating a thin rusty shell, or refitting a crap interior are MUCH bigger jobs. ..............Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Trouble is until we know the design of the rudder, stock and swan neck we rally can't answer. Some have no bearings and the stock just fits the rudder tube, some have a ball top bearing while others have a rubber or "plastic" top bush. If its the first type then it may just be rust but on the other hand the rudder tube may be gently rusting through. Ones with ball top bearings may well just be seized top bearings and renewing it will cure the problem. The same might apply to the third type. Bear in mind the sitting the rudder on a lock cill has been known to bend the stock on any design so it binds in the tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 The only part that you can get at is that big top bearing held on with 4 bolts. They are pretty hefty things and the leverage that you can exert with the tiller ought to show some movement there. Does the tiller and what you can see of the rudder line up? Have a look down the weedhatch and see/feel if anything is out of line, bent, jammed, knocked sideways and then have a cup of tea and a think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Top bearing is either a big ball race held by bolts as in the picture, or a plastic insert in an aluminium cup bolted on, or on a good old shell a phosphor bronze sleeve in a steel carrier that is knocked into the top of the rudder shaft tube going through the fuel tank usually. Unless it is an external rudder shaft on the stern or in a groove in the stern, common on hire boats so the rudder is removable in the water. The bottom bearing on the skeg that stick out of the back of the base plate under the prop could be a bush in a cup, or a nylon/stainless composite bearing ( these are known to seize if not moved for a long while ) A bit more detail and a photo or two will assist everyone in helping you. Do you have a name for the boat fabricator, like Evans, Liverpool, Colecraft Springer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Are you sure the rudder is still in the cup on the skeg? If it has come out and dropped down the side, it will be very difficult to move Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Or the rudder may have got cilled in a lock and the rudder stock bent in the tube. I've had to deal with a couple like that ,docked the boats, removed to straighten them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just went astern at a water point and there was a clunk, a grind and I couldn’t move the tiller. Transpires something solid and metallic found its way between the prop and the rudder cup and forced the rudder Out of the cup. There’s a first for everything. A nice chap helped me dislodge the offending metallic something, never to be seen and the rudder was successfully relocated in the aforementioned cup. Thoughts of drydock, welding and crowbars came to mind. None of which were not required. Phew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, Nightwatch said: Just went astern at a water point and there was a clunk, a grind and I couldn’t move the tiller. Transpires something solid and metallic found its way between the prop and the rudder cup and forced the rudder Out of the cup. There’s a first for everything. A nice chap helped me dislodge the offending metallic something, never to be seen and the rudder was successfully relocated in the aforementioned cup. Thoughts of drydock, welding and crowbars came to mind. None of which were not required. Phew. I hope your prop wasn't damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Flyboy said: I hope your prop wasn't damaged. Just a bit of burring on one of the blades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dor Posted May 13, 2020 Report Share Posted May 13, 2020 Thanks for coming back with the answer. Too many people don't both with the follow-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Brummie Posted May 13, 2020 Report Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 hours ago, dor said: Thanks for coming back with the answer. Too many people don't both with the follow-up. Have I missed the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dor Posted May 13, 2020 Report Share Posted May 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Ex Brummie said: Have I missed the answer? Probably not! I think it was my mistake seeing Nightwatch's reply in post #12. Does rather underline my comment though as the OP's first post was their last, over two months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 I always try to update and finalise threads that I have started. I sometimes forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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