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I ve read thru this thread today . I can t really comprehend what on earths going on . TJ - I' m 42 yrs old . But not an old fart ..... yet . What i am is a novice to boats . I spent years thinking about getting one , then did it . Before buying i posted on here . During buying on here . Since buying i ve virtually not left here ! A pattern will emerge soon after you buy your boat that essentially , for me it has been anyway like this : Problem , fix it , problem , fix it , problem , fix it ....... and on ad nauseum ! How do you the fix the problems ? By coming on here and requesting folk - strangers - to give you the the benefit of thier experience & expertise . Frankly i d be screwed without some of the generosity that people here have shown over and over . In a world where theres alot of selfishness and nastiness its a refreshing antidote & you 'd be pretty foolish to offend folk who , in future will turn out to be extremely helpful in many many ways . You ve been a bit brash , made a few unnecessary comments but don t go any further . Hold your hands up and tell folk you ve over reacted - it s cool as we ve all done it but don t make things worse . people here are genuinely looking to help . i for one know i d be completely overwhelmed by issues on my boat without help as problems tend to be difficult to fix , expensive ... or both . Don t blow the opportunity & good luck - its a big step your taking cheers

Yes, I know. i remember your posted thoughts at the time. I'm not assuming anything about you or your position I dont care about changing your opinion carl and nobody has said your opinion should be restricted so stop pretending they have I'm pointing out for the benefit of those who weren't around at the time that any 'underhandedness' was in the minds of a few people and not a feeling shared by all

I have already said that I am expressing an opinion, not facts. In the long running ACC thread, however, I did support my opinion with relevant facts and quotes. In your opinion. Nobody has presented any evidence that supports that opinion so you are unlikely to change mine. Why on Earth would I want to present what happened the way it is in your head?...If that were possible. Why do you feel you are entitled to dicuss youropinion yet feel I am wrong to discuss mine? This is not made up but is a fact. I am a honorary life member of a natural history society because of my contribution to it so what I said is, in at least one case factually correct. I mentioned it in a light hearted manner and it is up to you how you interpret it I have no resentment towards anybody and am happy that John is posting again but, if somebody raises the issue again I will cheerfully discuss it within the forum rules. It does, however, become tiresome that some people think they are free to express their opinion but mine should be restricted.

I do hope the canals aren't full of nasty busy bodies. Cause with all due respect I'm a lot younger than you and it's people like me that are the future of the canals and without us there won't be any canal in the future for people to enjoy.

This topic has been a credit to this forum. It has allowed moorers in Pillings access to much information they would otherwise possibly have missed or been denied. It has allowed parties directly connected to give their sides of the story, whether under aliases or not. It has seen most of Pillings staff join as members, and perhaps they may take a slightly different view of their employer if they have managed to stay with it. And most of all, it has managed to stay on topic, be mostly well behaved, detailed and interesting..... and has also spawned two other threads, one also 17 pages long. Well done CWDF.

Hi guys many apologies for this morning. Extremely tired and my cat was pissing me off lol. Thanks for the advice.And the broker rang for a decision or counter offer . Cheer guys. Much love Hi Bettie just wanted to put that I didn't call anyone and old Fart x

But carl isn't discussing facts though, hes discussing 'feelings' and trying to present them as facts for example he says I think the bad feeling surrounding creation of the association was the apparent underhand way an exclusive association was formed whilst the founding members were giving the impression that an all inclusive association for all boaters was on the cards. This was certainly what upset me. So he uses 'apparent underhand' - when there was no underhandedness about it. He got all enthused about a new boating organisation being formed for 'all boaters' and there was much discussion of this. Even in this discussion there was no consensus of what the new organisation should be focusing on He wasn't enthused enough to actually get involved and help in setting it up though Then when it turns out that those setting it up realised that they needed to be more focused to get CaRT to talk to them and decide to focus on CC issues he throws a hissy fit because he's not a CCer Now he's trying to present what happened the way it is in his head which is not the way it appeared to me at the time And then he starts making things up like the quote below Also, in organisations such as these, a sizable donation usually bumps one up to "honorary life member" so a lottery winner could circumvent the dodgy democratic system. Carl - Your posts show you still do feel resentment - get over it

Eh? MtB

From personal experience - I wouldn't trust a cop as far as I could throw them!

Having a cruiser stern boat gives me an automatic right to use any terminology that comes to mind, regardless of historical accuracy. PS Generally I don't use a lock key, I use a CREW.

Bottom right of every post is a little green arrow. It is used to vote up your reputation ( I notice you now have four) As the button is green, it's a greenie Richard

I am always interested in the way that people perceive the police and the way that they conduct business. The police have a difficult job to do and its a job that most of us would not have the intestinal fortitude to consider. When we are under some sort of duress we welcome the cavalry arriving. When we do something wrong our defence is to criticise. When there is a serious incident its easy to see who are the mops and who are the cops their running in opposite directions. In our wider family are a few from inspectors all the way down to beat bobby. Some are retired and enjoying themselves. Some are still working for our benefit. One did not get the chance to retire, he did not enjoy a long career. It was cut short. If you feel that an officer has not given you the respect you expect make a complaint, his boss will soon ensure that his or her attitude will change. Its the extra paperwork it brings on the bosses desk. For a long time I read the Police blog of NightJack. This was the blog of, a working policeman who would shine a light into the dark murky world of the modern copper's life. This fly on the wall blog won an Orwell Prize. NightJack's work was described by the Orwell Prize judges as taking readers "to the heart of what a policeman has to do". NightJack is no more. The Night Jack home page simply says that the author has deleted the blog's contents. It's all thanks to that great champion of free speech, Mr Justice Eady. He ruled in the High Court that the author of a blog could be named. Now for obvious reasons NightJack needed the anonymity if he was to publish such a blog. How on earth Mr Justice Edith could say that it was in the Public Interest to name NightJack will confound me forever. But there is a sting in the tail of this sordid tale. Its a long story and a Google of "Nightjack" will bring up the sordid trail of his outing by The Times. Some of Nightjacks blog postings have been saved and an archive created Here By way of a personal protest, I have committed myself to never read The Times. A bit like the people of Liverpool have done with the Sun, after all the lies published about Hillsborough. The Times editor James Harding and News International chief executive Tom Mockridge have both given evidence to the Levinson Inquiry acknowledging that a reporter at the newspaper had admitted hacking an email. The reporter was later named as 28-year-old Patrick Foster, who accessed the email account of Police Officer Richard Horton, a police officer who blogged under the name Nightjack. James Harding, editor of The Times wrote to the Leveson Inquiry admitting for the first time that the newspaper had failed to tell the High Court (Mr Justice Eady) they knew about the hacking before challenging the injunction. When Mr Harding appeared before the inquiry earlier in January he only admitted that managers knew about an incident of email hacking but did not name Mr Foster or give details of the story. Following his evidence The Times published an article admitting that Mr Foster had admitted hacking Mr Horton's email account. Mr Watson’s letter to the Metropolitan Police, which was also sent to the Attorney General, said: “It is clear that a crime has been committed – illicit hacking of personal emails. A journalist and unnamed managers failed to report the crime to their proprietor or the police. I must ask that you investigate computer hacking at The Times. In so doing you will also be able to establish whether perjury or conspiracy to pervert the course of justice have also occurred.” The proprietor who knew nothing - Stand up Mr Rupert Murdoch and News International. The Metropolitan Police has set up Operation Tuleta to examine allegations of email hacking by journalists. The investigation is separate to Operation Weeting which is looking into allegations of phone hacking. I hope when Tuleta and Weeting finally hit the courts the perpetrators don't come up before Mr Justice Eady, otherwise they will all get lifetime achievement awards. As a sort of a legacy to NightJack here is one of his more inspiring posts. "A Survival Guide For Decent Folk" In these days of us increasingly having to deal with law abiding folk who have fallen foul of the “entitled poor” and those who have learned how to use us to score points and exact revenge, I thought it would be a good idea to give out a bit of general guidance for those law abiding types who find themselves under suspicion or under arrest. It works for the bad guys so make it work for you. Complain First Always get your complaint in first, even if it is you who started it and you who were in the wrong. If things have gone awry and you suspect the cops are going to be called, get your retaliation in first. Ring the cops right away and allege for all you are worth. If you can work a racist or homophobic slant into it so much the better. Make a counter allegation Regardless of the facts, never let the other side be blameless. If they beat you to the phone, ring anyway and make a counter allegation against them. Again racism or homophobia are your friends. If you are not from a visible minority ethnic culture, may I suggest that that the phrase “You gay bastard” or similar is always useful. In extremis allege sexual assault. It gives us something to bargain with when getting the other person to drop their complaint on a quid-pro-quo basis. This is particularly good where there are no independent witnesses. When it boils down to one word against another and nobody is ‘fessing up, CPS run a mile and you, my friend, are definitely on a walk out. Never explain to the Police If the Police arrive to lock you up, say nothing. You are a decent person and you may think that reasoning with the Police will help. “If I can only explain, they will realise it is all a horrible mistake and go away”. Wrong. We do want to talk to you on tape in an interview room but that comes later. All you are doing by trying to explain is digging yourself further in. We call that stuff a significant statement and we love it. Decent folk can’t help themselves, they think that they can talk their way out. Wrong. Admit Nothing To do anything more than lock you up for a few hours we need to prove a case. The easiest route to that is your admission. Without it, our case may be a lot weaker, maybe not enough to charge you with. In any case, it is always worth finding out exactly how damning the evidence is before you fall on your sword. So don’t do the decent and honourable thing and admit what you have done. Don’t even deny it or try to give your side of the story. Just say nothing. No confession and CPS are on the back foot already. They foresee a trial. They fear a trial. They are looking for any excuse to send you home free. Keep your mouth shut Say as little as possible to us. At the custody office desk a Sergeant will ask you some questions. It is safe to answer these. For the rest of the time, say nothing. Claim Suicidal Thoughts A debatable one this. Claiming to be thinking about topping yourself has several benefits. If you can keep it up, it might just bump up any compensation payable later. On the other hand you may find yourself in a paper suit with someone watching your every move. Always always always have a solicitor Duh. No brainer this one. Unless you know 100% for sure that your mate the solicitor does criminal law and is good at it, ask for the Duty Solicitor. They certainly do criminal law and they are good at it. Then listen to what the solicitor says and do it. Their job is to get you off without the Cops or CPS laying a glove on you if at all possible. It is what they get paid for. They are free to you. There is no down side. Now decent folks think it makes them look like they have something to hide if they ask for a solicitor. Irrelevant. Going into an interview without a solicitor is like taking a walk in Tottenham with a big gold Rolex. Bad things are very likely to happen to you. I wouldn’t do it and I interview people for a living. Actively complain about every officer and everything they do Did they cuff you when they brought you in? Were they rude to you? Did they racially or homophobically abuse you? Didn’t get fed? Cell too cold? You are decent folk who don’t want to make a fuss but trust me, it pays to whinge and no matter how trivial and / or poorly founded your complaint there are people who will uncritically listen to you and try and prove the complaint on your behalf. Some of them are even police officers. Nothing like a complaint to muddy the waters and suggest that you are only in court because the vindictive Cops have a grudge against you. Far fetched? Wait until your solicitor spins it in court and you come over as Ghandi. Show no respect to the legal system or anybody working in it You think that if you are a difficult, unpleasant, sneering, unco-operative and rude things will go badly for you and you will be in more trouble. No sirree Bob. It seems that in fact the worse you are, the easier things will go for you if, horror of horrors, you do end up convicted. Remember to fake a drink problem If you haven’t developed one as a result of dealing with us already. Magistrates and Judges do seem to like the idea that you are basically good but the naughty alcohol made you do it. They treat you better. Crazy I know but true. No voluntary statements. No co-operation beyond providing any documentation that you happen to have to hand. No admissions of anything, and never ever accept a caution to “end the matter”. (cautions go on your record) Insist on being charged or released: in other words, do nothing to help make their job any easier, because their interests and yours are not aligned. So there you go, basically anything you try and do because you are decent and straightforward hurts you badly. Act like an habitual, professional, lifestyle criminal and chances are you will walk away relatively unscathed. Copy the bad guys, its what they do for a living. Mind how you go!

This is most interesting, and one wonders whether Charnwood Council has been made aware of an apparent "stretching" of their planning permission.

I don't know his real name and don't frankly give a tinkers cuss. However if he is using a pseudonym as a member of the ACC council (is that the correct term?) that to me is entirely wrong. Those wishing to join the ACC have IMO a right to know who is running the organisation and not be fobbed off by assumed names.

Nothing was implied Carl. How you interpreted what you were seeing was your choice. We were fighting at the time on behalf of all boaters, (much as we do now). When it was decided how we would move forward, we announced it. Your silly tantrums are boring, and to be quite honest, becoming tedious. On occasion, you discuss nothing, you just blubber on till you wear your opponent down. Your just another keyboard warrior as far as I see. Throwing people's names on the Internet, ie a forum, then in the next instance, preaching forum etiquette! Pathetic.

Let me try a different tack, George94, by sidestepping the terminological dispute here and addressing the substance of the issue without using the 'm' word. The UK's inland waterways are run by various different navigation authorities, with the CaRT being the largest. In some areas of the country (e.g. Yorkshire), the CaRT runs almost all of the navigable waterways. In other areas (e.g. East Anglia), it doesn't run any of them. But in mahy areas, it is in direct competition (in terms of attracting potential moorers, marina operators etc.) with other navigation authorities. Take a look at this map: http://www.aina.org.uk/docs/96918GBWaterways_4.pdf - and you can see the CaRT faces a certain amount of competition in the North West from the Bridgewater Canal Company, and a certain amount in the West Midlands from the Avon Navigation Trust. More significantly, however, many popular CaRT waterways towards the south and east of its network - e.g. the Oxford Canal, the Grand Union, the Kennet & Avon - are close to the Thames and/or the Nene, putting in direct competition with the EA in those areas. If the NAA fee (as a percentage of the price of an occupied mooring) varied from region to region - being higher in areas where the CaRT faces less competition and lower in areas where it faces more competition - there might be a case for saying that the CaRT's dominant position in the marketplace in the former areas was allowing it to get away with charging excessive fees. But as I understand it, that is not the case. The fee has been set nationally at a level that is intended to make running a marina on a CaRT waterway a financially attractive proposition even for someone who could run a marina on a nearby EA waterway - say, on the Thames rather than the Grand Union. So while it's true that the owner of a marina on a CaRT waterway has no real choice but to pay whatever fee the CaRT demand in return for access to that waterway, it does not follow that a lack of competition means the CaRT can get away with charging whatever fee it likes. The level at which it sets its fee is constrained by the need to compete for the business of marina operators with other navigation authorities, running other waterways.

Old fartism is not age related it is a state of mind. MtB may be pretending to be an old fart by calling the radio a wireless and eating powdered egg but he and I are the same age give or take a couple of months. Anyway you're in America shouldn't you still be in bed or MacDonalds or something. K

Re: taking the positive connection to the bottom right corner instead of the top right Yep your right, I nicked the original diagram and didn't notice that it wasn't like that as was too busy concentrating on the middle bit in joining them up in paint! But it's adding the extra that I've painted in (the thicker light wonky lines) that add that was recommended.

Here is some useful advice..... Think before you post, you are starting to look a right tool.

Yes that's the way to go, larder fridge has 110ltr capacity and freezer is 80ltr both in under counter sized cabinets. This what we have and works for us.Phil

Whether the weather be fine Or whether the weather be not Whether the weather be cold Or whether the weather be hot We'll weather the weather Whatever the weather Whether we like it or not. Sorry, but couldn't help myself

The police can do what they like if there is enough of them there. Ask the coal miners. MtB

Well, actually if they are anything like me; they are more than likely concerned for the people who are paying fees to moor at Pillings Lock & the potential of them loosing their freedom to come and go as they please & also are quite interested in the outcome of this whole situation. Then again, they might just be interested in their continued access to that marina; if they are moored outside, they may well use that marina for the pump out facilities, water or fuel Let's not kid ourselves here "darling"; if PL is able to get off without paying the arrears to CRT, what exactly do you envision the long-term outcome being? I could easily foresee other marina directors looking at how they also could get out of paying the 9% to CRT & if I was at CRT I'd be looking at ways of getting back that lost revenue....gee now where might they turn to for that? How do you feel about your yearly license fee taking a good hike while Pillings Lock get out of their contractual obligations? End of the day - if CRT are not able to secure the money owed by PL it "could" have a bearing on all of us. Hence why there is so much interest from the general boating community. And again, if you read the posts no one has suggested any ill will toward the people moored at PL. I think you are trying to turn phrases relating to seeing Mr. Lillie get his comeuppance from CRT, into discord toward the moorers; which simply isn't the case.

yes but can only vote for Council members for there own category of membership, but I guess as you will not be joining not quite sure why that should concern you because as a non member i am afraid you will have no voting rights

Your welcome to look at their website that tells you what they are about, gives the latest news has a section on resources explaining your rights on Health care, winter fuel allowance etc. the only part you can not see is the social forum. Analogy look inside and outside the boat but if you want to see belowe the water line pay for it to be taken out of the water or go diving

....was it digital or cassette...... ??

Firstly, for a narrowboat with RCD on board and very likely one on the shoreline, I don't think the IT is that much safer than a GI. In fact if the IT is on board which it usually is it's almost certainly less safe than a GI. Anyway.... under surge conditions I expect the internal resistance of the diodes dominates over temperature coefficient effects, so one way to improve the surge rating is just more diodes in parallel. And if you're really paranoid you could add some chunky varistors in parallel too. For a narrowboat I think it's pretty much hair splitting; having a SECOND smoke alarm, CO alarm, and automatic bilge pump, plus better general care in difficult conditions would do way more good. cheers, Pete. ~smpt~

Do you mean Paddington basin? I suspect you are talking about Engineers Wharf - if so not very close to Paddington! (If it were I think they might let far easier!). I think my argument still applies, despite the huge numbers. The "book" price at Engineers wharf seems to be £5,765, and presumably, despite the issues with trying to let all spaces there, there are existing moorers already paying £5,765 per year for a berth. Even the quoted "reserve" of £5,189, would represent a £576 per saving to anyone paying the full price, or at least £1,728 on a three year fixed price contract. I don't know what notice an existing moorer there would need to give to terminate a full price mooring, but if it is one month, then that is £432 they would have to forfeit if they bid and got one more cheaply. Even so, they might be able to save about £1,300 over three years by successfully bidding at reserve. So what happens if CRT set reserve at (say) £3,000 to try and ensure a berth lets? I would suggest each time this happens, they have the potential to see it taken by an existing moorer. Over time the recognised "list" price of a berth there might then be considered to be £3,000, not nearly £6,000. CRT will make more money by having (say) only 75% occupancy at full price, rather than 100% occupancy at say £3,000. (Note I have no idea what the actual occupancy is at Engineers Wharf - I'm just giving an example - the reality might be nothing like! I remain well convinced this is not about what is costs to provide and service a mooring at Enginners Wharf - it is about them not being able to keep existing moorers paying a very high price, if low reserves set a much lower figure at that site. Nobody seems to accept what I'm saying, and most seem intent on other explanations. However, I'm pretty certain I'm right about why CRT's policy is as it is!

I simply do not think that this is the orrect explanation. Instead I firmly believe they are trying to avoid a situation where existing moorers at a site suddenly realise that newcomers are getting an equivalent mooring for far less than they are paying month on month. When "reserve " was only 75% of guide, if you were already paying £2,000 a year for a mooring there, (and accepting it going up by above inflation each year), how would you have felt if you found a newcomer was not only getting an exactly equivalent mooring for £1,500, but also that the price they paid was guaranteed not to go up at all throughout their three year contract? I suggest it would start you thinking that the next one to come up, you would see if you could get it for £1,500 ? However if the "reserve" is set at 90%, then that mooring can't let for less than £1,800, and the maths for bidding on it to save money become far less attractive, particularly as you will have to give notice on your current one, and probably pay for both for at least one month, maybe more. I believe this is why they would rather let them go un-let, than keep reducing them until they do sell. Yes, but when they list a "buy it now" price, it is the full (100%) list price! If you had bid on it before they made it "buy it now", you could have had it at reserve. Anyone who buys a "buy it now" mooring is in my view either dumb, or exceedingly desperate! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Back to why the level at which reserve is set is so high - here is a much longer explanation of my theory from an older thread.....