IanD Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Alway Swilby said: I don't want to prove it! As I said, I don't care whether science proves it or not. I just want warm feet and putting a fan on the stove means that I ( and my partner) think we have warm feet. Even if my brain is playing tricks on me at least I still have what seem to me to be warm feet. All absolutely fine. with the one small correction. Many people are very happy with something they believe to be true, including -- just for example -- the many satisfied customers of homeopathy and Gwyneth Paltrow... 😉 Edited December 8, 2021 by IanD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Todd Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, ditchcrawler said: Did anyone suggest it did generate more heat. A smouldering taper will indicate the air movement No - it was a statement that they are very inefficient that I was seeking to clarify. What I think was meant was that they only extract a proportion of the heat rather than they. in some sense, it is wasted. Two rather different assessments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted December 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 They dont work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mike Todd said: No - it was a statement that they are very inefficient that I was seeking to clarify. What I think was meant was that they only extract a proportion of the heat rather than they. in some sense, it is wasted. Two rather different assessments. Actually all the energy -- including that turned into electricity and used to drive the fan -- ends up as heat, even the energy put into the moving air... 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 21 hours ago, enigmatic said: Also on sale at Lidl now, with three blades rather than Aldi's two. It's no wonder we've been having Met Office wind warnings recently then. Three blades is getting into hurricane territory! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said: It's no wonder we've been having Met Office wind warnings recently then. Three blades is getting into hurricane territory! Six blades... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384383733562 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landsil Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 This is a very confusing tread. Looks like there is a tone of versions everyone can buy and how well they work depends on temperature of the stove and shape of space. Can't everyone just agree that some fan's work great in some spaces and some fans are just trash and be done with it? Unless it's just a friendly banter for when people are bored, in that case carry on, I will join you later with some wild untested ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Landsil said: This is a very confusing tread. Looks like there is a tone of versions everyone can buy and how well they work depends on temperature of the stove and shape of space. Can't everyone just agree that some fan's work great in some spaces and some fans are just trash and be done with it? Unless it's just a friendly banter for when people are bored, in that case carry on, I will join you later with some wild untested ideas. No 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said: It's no wonder we've been having Met Office wind warnings recently then. Three blades is getting into hurricane territory! My boat did start rocking back and forward and the heavens opened as soon as I got it out the box! 6 minutes ago, IanD said: Six blades... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384383733562 I've seen ones with two fans and all sorts on there! Think they're missing an important market by not offering Click and Collect though. Glad I didn't get the six bladed one in retrospect because I have no idea how to pilot a helicopter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Loddon said: We have the same, with no fan there is a definite cold layer of air beneath the hot layer. With the fan there are no noticeable layers. Works for me 😱 But if I remember correctly you have one of those fancy ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Landsil said: This is a very confusing tread. Looks like there is a tone of versions everyone can buy and how well they work depends on temperature of the stove and shape of space. Can't everyone just agree that some fan's work great in some spaces and some fans are just trash and be done with it? Unless it's just a friendly banter for when people are bored, in that case carry on, I will join you later with some wild untested ideas. You are new here aren't you ............ Do a search on the forum for 'Eco fan' and you will get 34 pages with ~25 posts per page. Its an ongoing subject. Now if you want to talk about something that is rarely dicussed, start a discussion on 'toilets - the best type' and ensure you have a section on 'composting toilets' 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, IanD said: Actually all the energy -- including that turned into electricity and used to drive the fan -- ends up as heat, even the energy put into the moving air... 😉 That is why I said 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: Now if you want to talk about something that is rarely dicussed, start a discussion on 'toilets - the best type' and ensure you have a section on 'composting toilets' Hmm.... just wondering if I can combine my ecofan with a composting toilet to make an incinerating toilet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 minute ago, enigmatic said: Hmm.... just wondering if I can combine my ecofan with a composting toilet to make an incinerating toilet? Reduce the faffing and get one of those round stoves where the entire top hinges up for refuelling... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 minute ago, TheBiscuits said: Reduce the faffing and get one of those round stoves where the entire top hinges up for refuelling... Just be aware that the consequences of sitting on it could be even worse than the traditional Xmas party one involving a photocopier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said: Reduce the faffing and get one of those round stoves where the entire top hinges up for refuelling... I do like a warm toilet seat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgs Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 I don't see it as a question of conservation of energy, but slight distribution. Is it much different to what is happening in a thermosyphon setup? The fan is a pump. Ok, not a brilliant pump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Riley Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, enigmatic said: I do like a warm toilet seat Saves the expense of a sack and crack wax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jim Riley said: Saves the expense of a sack and crack wax. You mean like those barbers who burn off excess hair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Riley Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, IanD said: You mean like those barbers who burn off excess hair? Yes!😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUMPY Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, ditchcrawler said: But if I remember correctly you have one of those fancy ones That's in the house where the gas stove has to be on full and the room superheated before it turns 😱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree monkey Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Landsil said: This is a very confusing tread. Looks like there is a tone of versions everyone can buy and how well they work depends on temperature of the stove and shape of space. Can't everyone just agree that some fan's work great in some spaces and some fans are just trash and be done with it? Unless it's just a friendly banter for when people are bored, in that case carry on, I will join you later with some wild untested ideas. Welcome to the forum It's just banter, although Ian does take it very seriously, he does so love to be right if you want to see real bickering start a toilet thread Oh and no they don't work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, tree monkey said: Welcome to the forum It's just banter, although Ian does take it very seriously, he does so love to be right if you want to see real bickering start a toilet thread Oh and no they don't work I don't care who is right, so long as misleading BS is called out for what it is before spreading and being forwarded as the gospel truth. If the BS came from me and I'm shown to be wrong, I'll put my hands up to it -- it's a fair cop guv, you've got me bang to rights, don't put the darbies on I'll come quietly etc. But more often than not it doesn't come from me... 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Todd Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, IanD said: Actually all the energy -- including that turned into electricity and used to drive the fan -- ends up as heat, even the energy put into the moving air... 😉 That's an interesting form of thermodynamics Edited December 8, 2021 by Mike Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted December 8, 2021 Report Share Posted December 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mike Todd said: That's an interesting form of thermodynamics Well, the motor and wiring will use some of the current to produce heat, as will friction in the bearings. The fan will move some air so the air will have kinetic energy that will eventually be dissipated by friction between air molecules as heat so I think Ian is correct, but as you say an interesting idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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