zenataomm Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 It used to be hand startable when it lived where it should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, zenataomm said: It used to be hand startable when it lived where it should do. Gwarn then, where should it live? ETA: Oh you mean the engine, not the boat! Edited April 5, 2018 by Mike the Boilerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 The tank looked in the way now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 12 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Gwarn then, where should it live? ETA: Oh you mean the engine, not the boat! In the engine 'ole where the washing machine now is, towpath side above Sawley Lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 It's a very handsome, even dramatic-looking, boat, which used to moor near us in March (the town). But it does seem to be perpetually for sale. We viewed it years ago, on one of the many occasions that it's been available. Very good fit-out by Fox's. But, apparently incurable engine maladies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 If any serious block work was required, Tom would be a good person to talk to for repairs.... An example of current work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, stagedamager said: If any serious block work was required, Tom would be a good person to talk to for repairs.... An example of current work! It certainly isn't incurable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, RLWP said: It certainly isn't incurable Sort of on topic, watched Car SOS the other night where a cracked MGTF block was being "stiched", fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 2 hours ago, RLWP said: It certainly isn't incurable WEll I hope you're right - but several owners, including a couple who run a professional boatyard, don't seem to have been able to put it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 18 minutes ago, Athy said: WEll I hope you're right - but several owners, including a couple who run a professional boatyard, don't seem to have been able to put it right. It depends what you expect and what you want to spend. Stitch welding cast iron blocks is a pretty standard technique, not cheap though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, RLWP said: It depends what you expect and what you want to spend. Stitch welding cast iron blocks is a pretty standard technique, not cheap though Yes, easy enough as Richard demonstrated with one of my engines. Lift engine out of the boat, deliver it to Richard, Richard takes it completely to bits and lugs the block to the specialist stitch welder. Specialist stitch welder cuts a series of lateral groves cross the crack then warms up the block in his oven for a day or two to a few hundred degrees C. Then welds up the crack and the cross cuts and lets it all cool down achingly slowly. Grinds it all flat and the stitching looks like Jack and Sally from Nightmare Before Christmas. BEAUTIFUL work. Next, rebuild the engine and bung it back in the boat. Any professional boatyard can do this if the boat owner is willing to fund this level of intervention. And therein lies the problem with EMERALD, I suspect. Each subsequent owner flogs the boat once they realise the sheer amount of work necessary to fix the engine block. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrowcycles Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Is anyone going to buy Dane? or has she sold already? I passed her the other day and looked in ok nick for that low price. s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 7 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Yes, easy enough as Richard demonstrated with one of my engines. Lift engine out of the boat, deliver it to Richard, Richard takes it completely to bits and lugs the block to the specialist stitch welder. Specialist stitch welder cuts a series of lateral groves cross the crack then warms up the block in his oven for a day or two to a few hundred degrees C. Then welds up the crack and the cross cuts and lets it all cool down achingly slowly. Grinds it all flat and the stitching looks like Jack and Sally from Nightmare Before Christmas. BEAUTIFUL work. Next, rebuild the engine and bung it back in the boat. Any professional boatyard can do this if the boat owner is willing to fund this level of intervention. And therein lies the problem with EMERALD, I suspect. Each subsequent owner flogs the boat once they realise the sheer amount of work necessary to fix the engine block. My bank account's eyes are watering just thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Athy said: My bank account's eyes are watering just thinking about it. Try with old engines you can't get the bits for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, billybobbooth said: Try with old engines you can't get the bits for! What, like a Gleniffer DB2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, billybobbooth said: Try with old engines you can't get the bits for! From MtB's account of how it's done, you would not need any new bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Athy said: From MtB's account of how it's done, you would not need any new bits. Oh, you need new bits alright. It's just you can't pop into the local Gleniffer shop and buy them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Just now, RLWP said: Oh, you need new bits alright. It's just you can't pop into the local Gleniffer shop and buy them So, what new parts are required in this "stitch-welding" process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, Athy said: So, what new parts are required in this "stitch-welding" process? For the stitch welding, none. For the rebuild, lots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, RLWP said: For the stitch welding, none. For the rebuild, lots I hadn't noticed that the engine would need a rebuild - I thought that someone said that stitch-welding would cure the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Stitch welding will cure a crack. It is not a part to be fitted, but in order to access the area for welding the engine will of necessity need to be stripped down to its bare essentials, that is where the time consuming - and wallet consuming process will take place, then there's all that careful heating up and cooling down to take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, Derek R. said: Stitch welding will cure a crack. It is not a part to be fitted, but in order to access the area for welding the engine will of necessity need to be stripped down to its bare essentials, that is where the time consuming - and wallet consuming process will take place, then there's all that careful heating up and cooling down to take place. Indeed. After all, the very least you would need to reassemble the engine would be a new set of joints and head gaskets. Oh and the block repainting Only, old engines like to take the opportunity to reveal a few interesting problems along the way, like a new set of bearings or two, and maybe a cracked manifold, or maybe some worn out pistons... Then there are the bodges, fixes and substitutions of their seventy year history to unravel Richard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 4 hours ago, RLWP said: For the stitch welding, none. For the rebuild, lots This was what I ment by my previous post! 2 hours ago, RLWP said: Indeed. After all, the very least you would need to reassemble the engine would be a new set of joints and head gaskets. Oh and the block repainting Only, old engines like to take the opportunity to reveal a few interesting problems along the way, like a new set of bearings or two, and maybe a cracked manifold, or maybe some worn out pistons... Then there are the bodges, fixes and substitutions of their seventy year history to unravel Richard Welcome to every vintage or even some new engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanR Posted April 9, 2018 Report Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) It would seem Paragon (post 5695) has moved onto pastures hopefully more caring as it is heading towards Stone on the T +M, it doesn't seem to have moved off the Caldon for many years. Ian. Edited April 9, 2018 by IanR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Not sure what this one reduced from (or when). Now £16K, but acknowledging needing work on the base plate. Even with the not very appealing motor, depending on exactly what work is needed, this might be a cheaper way to acquire a full length converted boat than many? In the water, at least it looks like a reasonable back end grafted on to a rather nice looking, (to my eye!) Bantock hull. (That said, I've not seen the boat, and it could be an absolute dog!). And I think this one has probably come down about £3k? That said, I don't keep records of advertised prices, and my memory could sometimes be better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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