MtB Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 hours ago, hounddog said: I've corrected this for you. You have presumably contributed to the crowd fund in order to help this poor lady get her boat back, and you approve of her continuing to illegally renting it out under the radar. Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hounddog Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, peterboat said: Nothing to say as others have said it already, Her income is on the bottom and I suspect not many on here will be donating to help her raise it. It could have been worse the boater could have drowned, let it be a lesson to others is all I can say Given that 1. people don't just give away money on crowdfunder at random 2. she has been given £4,000 already and 3. analworld is quite ready to rush to judgement without facts perhaps there is more to the story than we know. Edited July 17, 2017 by hounddog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 minute ago, hounddog said: Given that 1. people don't just give away money on crowdfunder at random 2. she has been given £4,000 already and 3. analworld is quite ready to rush to judgement without facts perhaps there is more to the story than we know. Bless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hounddog Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said: Thank you - I would not have known as I have him on 'ignore'. He has never forgiven me for pointing out the 'error of his ways' in front of his gang of 'mates' and making him took a real fool (a long time ago) but now he just wants revenge and hence I have a stalker. At least he is giving someone else a rest. Your fantasy is amusing, if a little disgusting. 2 minutes ago, cereal tiller said: Bless. So you believe people look at crowdfunder and say 'yes, i've got spare money, do have some' as if by some form of hypnosis? Do you do it often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 If i recall rightly, and of course I may not, you can stick a figure on a crowdfunding site but you don't pay it straight away. I's just an indication that you will if the product or whatever becomes available. I strongly suspect that many people put a figure down but then renege on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 40 minutes ago, hounddog said: she has been given £4,000 already That's incorrect. No money is given to crowdfunding until the accumulated pledges reach the stated target amount. Even then there's no obligation on the 'pledgers' to actually front up the funds. 20 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: If i recall rightly, and of course I may not, you can stick a figure on a crowdfunding site but you don't pay it straight away. I's just an indication that you will if the product or whatever becomes available. I strongly suspect that many people put a figure down but then renege on it. That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaty Jo Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Be interesting to know the boat rental website that put she and her tenant together and how much advice was offered to both parties prior to the agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Boaty Jo said: Be interesting to know the boat rental website that put she and her tenant together and how much advice was offered to both parties prior to the agreement. I think Airbnb was mentioned somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Boaty Jo said: Be interesting to know the boat rental website that put she and her tenant together and how much advice was offered to both parties prior to the agreement. Is her advert still there on Air BnB...??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_P Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Boaty Jo said: Be interesting to know the boat rental website that put she and her tenant together and how much advice was offered to both parties prior to the agreement. was there a website then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_P Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Is her advert still there on Air BnB...??!! I did see screen grabs re. airbnb on facebook. However, there's no usable search function on there so it would take me hours to find them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill brown Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Though no longer on airbnb google still has it partially indexed "We had an absolutely fabulous time aboard Sally Cinnamon! Dawn and Bill were the perfect hosts, making us feel really welcome, nothing was too much trouble for them. The boat is beautiful and had everything we..." So it would seem it's not the first time she'd rented it out. Edited July 17, 2017 by bill brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) She is / was quite active on 'hippy UK forum' saying that she was trying to pay off the loan on the boat so she could give up work & they could do more travelling. Edited July 17, 2017 by Alan de Enfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said: She is / was quite active on 'hippy UK forum' saying that she was trying to pay off the loan on the boat so they could do more travelling. Is "hippy uk" one of your regulars Alan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Just now, rusty69 said: Is "hippy uk" one of your regulars Alan? Put a name into Google - its amazing what comes up about almost anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill brown Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: Put a name into Google - its amazing what comes up about almost anyone Don't put dawn samples hippy into the duckduckgo search engine unless you have thesafe search switched on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 hours ago, rusty69 said: I think Airbnb was mentioned somewhere She had some good feedback from people who rented but after last time I don't intend to copy the posts from Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace42 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 I've read all the posts. Whatever the rights and wrongs, I am puzzled that the boat would sink by leaving the weed hatch off. Yes, the engine compartment would flood - but enough to drop the stern so that water poured over the bulkhead into the body proper. And even if it did, is it something that could pass unnoticed to a point that remedial action could not be taken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacka Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Update from http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/15418817.Narrowboat_recovered_by_canal_and_river_trust/ Includes some comments from CRT on the status of the boat...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 21 minutes ago, Horace42 said: I've read all the posts. Whatever the rights and wrongs, I am puzzled that the boat would sink by leaving the weed hatch off. Yes, the engine compartment would flood - but enough to drop the stern so that water poured over the bulkhead into the body proper. And even if it did, is it something that could pass unnoticed to a point that remedial action could not be taken? You'd think (and hope) so, wouldn't you Horace. Sadly, it seems your logic is easily, and all too frequently, defeated. It isn't helped if you don't know what could happen or what to do when it does. Briefing the hirer/purchaser on the danger posed by the weed hatch would be a start though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 I would love to read the induction briefing she gives to, and the operating and safety notes she left for, new hirers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanC Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) Just to save data for anyone without home internet, here is the text from the article in the newspaper. A NARROWBOAT sunk in the Leeds and Liverpool Canal has been recovered. Dawn Samples was left homeless after she discovered her Riley Green moored canal barge, affectionately named 'Sally Cinnamon', had sunk to the bottom of the waterway. Friends of the 32-year-old, who was unable to afford to pay to lift the barge from the canal bed, set up a £30,000 Crowdfunding page. But as the narrowboat was causing a 'hazard' to other canal uses the Canal and Rivers Trust stepped in. Yesterday, the fundraising total stood at £4,850. A spokesperson from the Canal & River Trust said: “We have worked with the owner to recover the boat. "She has covered the cost of that operation and the boat is now safely moored in a marina close by. "The owner only had insurance and a boating licence to cover private use of her boat. "As soon as she decided to rent out her boat, this became a commercial operation requiring a different level of insurance and a business boating licence.” Speaking shortly after discovering the boat had sank, Ms Samples who now plans to temporarily move in with her partner on a nearby narrowboat, said: "I couldn't believe it. "I was expecting to find it back at the marina with a bit of water in it, but she was totally underwater. "Everyone has been amazing, the people who own the marina have been working 14 hour days to help me." It was while Ms Samples attempted to raise the sunken barge that she discovered the weed hatch had been mistakenly left open, which had allowed water to flood into the engine. Ms Samples had temporary third-party insurance while some welding was being completed on the boat. This will not cover the cost of recovering the barge. Edited July 18, 2017 by AllanC reworded for clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 The story get more bizarre as the details emerge : Renting it out whilst having welding done - I wonder if the welding happened to be in the vicinity of the weed-hatch ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 so she actually had no insurance whatsoever at the time of the incident. it begs the question - how did she have a licence (of any type) in the first place if the boat was uninsured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Murflynn said: so she actually had no insurance whatsoever at the time of the incident. it begs the question - how did she have a licence (of any type) in the first place if the boat was uninsured? ?? She had third party insurance. Okay, so she invalidated that by letting the boat, but CaRT didn't know she was letting it at the time, hence issued her a license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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