Ray T Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) The bags I have: SIEBE & GORMAN & Co LTD London. Opening flap on one side only. L & A.H. 1941 with "71" above. VI ROVAC 1941 with "72" and WD arrow Two type VI's "C" 1940 plus a triangle in each case, I can't decipher. One has only got an opening flap on one side. Plus one with chrome and cloth clips but any makers information has long since faded. Talk about nerdish!!!! Edited July 11, 2016 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) The chrome clips are the older (MKV) the MK VI with only one flap is an odd one. There was an update to the late MKVs with and extra part added making it like a MKVI and I think this was a Va but maybe just using odd older bags - who knows - not I. Pictures help though as I am a visual kind of fellow. The Siebe & Gorman & Co would be interesting to see then we could tell if a MK V etc. PS I don't know what the 71 & 72 is for surety. Edited July 11, 2016 by fittie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) In side it has 3 compartments, one the full width of the bag, two half width. Edited July 11, 2016 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Looks like a MK V from around '39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 is this fun/interesting or is it just me...oh, just me. I must get a life or a boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Careful - I might get the camera on my 1944 despatch riders coat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Oooooooh, I've always wanted one of...my wife will kill me. But on a different tack MKVI-Neck-strap-260215.JPG copies of mk VI straps with clips £10 pounds each making a chimney chain £40 to £50 + p&p for 8 to 10 links and no bags need be harmed in the process. And yes there is a Mrs F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Oooooooh, I've always wanted one of...my wife will kill me. But on a different tack MKVI-Neck-strap-260215.JPG copies of mk VI straps with clips £10 pounds each making a chimney chain £40 to £50 + p&p for 8 to 10 links and no bags need be harmed in the process. And yes there is a Mrs F. Are you selling these, or do you know of somebody / somewhere that is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Nothing to do with me just a link to a shop that sells copies of straps - for those that would like a chain. use this http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/mkvi-neck-strap-product,11374 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Nothing to do with me just a link to a shop that sells copies of straps - for those that would like a chain. use this http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/mkvi-neck-strap-product,11374 Has anybody purchased these items as I am interested to know the quality of the clips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Sorry I haven't. I think that I have felt with them in the past but not this item as it was out of stock at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree monkey Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 is this fun/interesting or is it just me...oh, just me. I must get a life or a boat. It may just be you, although this thread is sorta showing its not On the other hand I love that people have this level of interest in a seemingly trivial bit of history Im a tree geek of a high order and can spend days talking about the things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Years of trying ti find a chimney chain and not getting fobbed off with stuff that is not what it claims to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Here's another SALLY. Took this some time in the late eighties heading for BCLM. SALLY Gen 118 (Medium).jpg Don Payne's Sally was nicely turned out in the mid 70s, and still carrying the occasional load when Don could find one. I last saw her sunk on the offside of the Dudley at Tipton, which is presumably where you saw her. I don't suppose there's much left of her now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivergate Posted July 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Thank you for sharing all your amazing knowledge in this thread - I will place an order for the links above and see what they are like.. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Don Payne's Sally was nicely turned out in the mid 70s, and still carrying the occasional load when Don could find one. I last saw her sunk on the offside of the Dudley at Tipton, which is presumably where you saw her. I don't suppose there's much left of her now. I used to borrow the rudder off SALLY now and again when moving day boats around the B.C.N., with Don's permission of course Thank you for sharing all your amazing knowledge in this thread - I will place an order for the links above and see what they are like.. Cheers and be sure to let us know as I think they might sell a few if they are of reasonable quality, but to be honest at that price I am not too hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) These used to sell reproduction clips, http://www.springfields.co.uk/catalog/product/view/id/2419, which were of good quality. Original LHS reproduction RHS. I did put a micrometer on them and the repro was 1.0 mill thinner. A couple of weeks ago I met a couple of retired working boaters at Coventry Basin on their leisure boat. The chimney chain had followed them from their working days. I thought the links weren't "pukka" as they were very thin. It was only then I realised they were that thin, about half there original width, as they had been polished many many times. Also the "ribs" on the beehive rosettes were likewise almost worn flat. Edited July 12, 2016 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 I am now tempted to rummage through the bags in the numerous charity shops I visit with the misses and offspring. We go to every cherry tea shop we come across so I may as well have a look while she is going through the womens and childrens section. You never know ! I imagine people occasionally use the old gas mask bags for general carrying of items. Probably not an ideal handbag but could be quite a masculine man bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 I am now tempted to rummage through the bags in the numerous charity shops I visit with the misses and offspring. We go to every cherry tea shop we come across so I may as well have a look while she is going through the womens and childrens section. You never know ! I imagine people occasionally use the old gas mask bags for general carrying of items. Probably not an ideal handbag but could be quite a masculine man bag Been looking for years and only found one and that was on a market stall. There are some about but almost invariably the newer types without clips. George ex nb Alton retired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) Looking at Ray T's pictures above it does not appear to be 'rocket science' to make pretty good copies. I guess the time taken to cut, file and fold the brass would make it pretty pointless though to be fair as it is not exactly a high value item.. Edites for manual correction of autocorrect error Edited July 12, 2016 by magnetman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Another thread here: http://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=50221&hl=%26quot%3Bgas+mask%26quot%3B#entry935819 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Several years ago I made a replica chain using brass strip and rod for the D rings. None of it was difficult, save for wrapping the link around the D ring. I'm told that a fly press would have been used originally, I had to make do with a block of steel and a hammer! They remain hidden in the workshop's bowels, wouldn't put them on the boat. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 The bags are great to use day to day, they last and you can put then in the wash. I've had mine since art college way back in '81 the strap has gone but I got 2 links for my chain so it was win win. My daughter uses one at uni and there are companies making copies as a fashion bags to this day, silly prices though! Some of this is due to the Indiana Jones factor. (W & G MK VII if anyone wants to know and making them £10 more than other MK VIIs) There are some old bags coming on the market for old ex-army stores from around the old empire it just takes a lot of looking. Tatty ones do come up on eBay for around a tenner. I have been told that a real 10 link chain is getting close to £200 so it is worth spending time looking. I really must leave... and get a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) Here's my chain. Gifted to me recently by a well known boater who obviously felt sorry for me whilst watching me try and cobble together a chimney chain from a leather strap and some old brass rosettes. It's a reproduction, made in the 80's by somebody apparently. It may only be a repro, but the fact it was gifted in good faith will ensure i treasure it. I wonder if it one of the Doug Greaves chains Pete Harrison is referring to? I know an original one changed hands recently for £100, so i guess that is the going rate these days for a real one? Edited July 13, 2016 by junior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 The correct type of chain for "Progress" would have been plain ordinary iron chain. BCN traditions were utilarian and the decorative brassware was notably absent. One of Haywards tugs with its crew: Nice and shiny!! I showed this picture to Mike Humphris today and he thought the gent on the left might be a "Carter." He didn't recognise the other two though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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