Zebu sunk in Albert Dock

[TheBiscuits]

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/live-updates-efforts-recover-sunken-9988568

 

Emergency services are this morning at Albert Dock after being called at 4.30am to reports of the sinking of tall ship Zebu.

 

The 1938-built sailing ship was berthed near the Tate.

 

Firefighters used thermal imaging to confirm that nobody was on board the large ship - a wooden former Baltic trader - which is owned by Mersey Heritage Trust.

Edited September 4, 2015 by TheBiscuits

[Barry]

Firefighters used thermal imaging to confirm that nobody was on board the large ship - a wooden former Baltic trader - which is owned by Mersey Heritage Trust.

 

Unless technology has changed significantly since I was in the fire service; Thermal Imaging cameras do not work when looking at water. I find this piece of reporting highly suspicious

 

Unless the firefighters actually had no clue what they were doing and gave it a try then put it away

[TheBiscuits]

 

I guess it has changed a bit then :

 

Thermal imaging cameras for maritime applications

 

http://www.flir.co.uk/cs/display/?id=42108

 

 

Nope, IanM seems to have the right of it. Apologies to Bazza!

Edited September 4, 2015 by TheBiscuits

[IanM]

 

Unless technology has changed significantly since I was in the fire service; Thermal Imaging cameras do not work when looking at water. I find this piece of reporting highly suspicious

 

Unless the firefighters actually had no clue what they were doing and gave it a try then put it away

 

Edited because I seem to have been talking b*ll*cks having re-read the story.

Edited September 4, 2015 by IanM

[gaggle]

Pirate weekend shortly 22nd ? pics in last nights echo showing what may be previous show or rehearsel of cannon firing from the deck.

edit - sure work pontoon was alongside it last Friday as I came out of dock , maybe ongoing problem was being looked at.

Edited September 4, 2015 by gaggle

[TheBiscuits]

Lets try the story from Mersey Fire & Rescue instead.

 

http://www.merseyfire.gov.uk/aspx/pages/Incidents/IncidentDetail.aspx?id=4288

 

Firefighters Use Thermal Imaging Camera To Search Dock Water After Boat Sinks

 

Friday, 04 September 2015

Albert Dock.

Firefighters were called after a boat sank in Albert Dock.

 

Firefighters carried out a search of the inner dock using a thermal imaging camera and lighting but no-one was found in the water.

 

Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service was called at 4.32am to near Hartley Quay in the Albert Dock area and firefighters had left the scene by 5.47am.

 

Station Manager Ian Voce said: “Our thermal imaging cameras can detect signs of heat including body temperature on the surface of the water as well as being able to detect signs of fires in buildings. Firefighters carried out a search to make sure no-one was in the water after this vessel had sunk. We also had firefighters in water rescue kit ready to enter the water if needed.”

 

A fire appliance from Liverpool City Community Fire Station, one from Toxteth Community Fire Station and the Search and Rescue Team responded to the call-out.

[jenevers]

But............. How could this happen?

No bilge pump?

[gaggle]

A lady has been on local radio but no cause or reason for sinking has been given , just they are looking at things and raising may take days or longer , pirate weekend goes ahead.

So is it national pirate day when this pirate event takes place.

[cheshire~rose]

What a very sad sight that is.

[Tony Dunkley]

But............. How could this happen?

No bilge pump?

 

The planking seams above the waterline on wooden vessels can tend to open up, particularly during Summer and if static for a long period. In the event of a leak starting for any reason, and going unnoticed, the boat settles a little lower in the water because of the leak and then as progressively more and more dry and open seams are immersed the quantity of water leaking in increases more and more rapidly until the boat blobs.

[Gillie]

Dave and I were on her the other week while staying in the docks..

We became friendly with the guy who was living on it and he showed us around..

So very very sad it was a lovely ship inside and out..

I hope Chris the guy who lived on her( and drives the little trip boat around the docks) is ok..

[madcat]

Sad indeed , I imagine Chris has lost everything .

 

I used to be the guard cat on an old ship but it was steel , I had what was left of my life on there and had she sank I'd have been left with the clothes I stood up in and a VW van.

 

I wonder how soon she will be re floated and what the cause of sinking might turn out to be.

[gaggle]

Reported that divers were travelling from down south and the intention is to refloat using large airbags and then into dry dock for repair /inspection, divers were expected pm today.

[RichardN]

They had a remote controlled underwater camera this afternoon which looked a smart bit of kit.

[Dalesman]

Reported that divers were travelling from down south and the intention is to refloat using large airbags and then into dry dock for repair /inspection, divers were expected pm today.

Will be interesting to see which dry dock, as there are none in Liverpool now.

[kris88]

I thought there are the two big dry docks connected with the mueseum, right next to Albert dock.

Regards kris

[dmr]

I thought there are the two big dry docks connected with the mueseum, right next to Albert dock.

Regards kris

 

One, if not both, is/are used for permanently housing historic ships as part of the museum. Not sure if those could be easily moved. It would be a bugger if they sank!

 

............Dave

[Dalesman]

I thought there are the two big dry docks connected with the mueseum, right next to Albert dock.

Regards kris

They are no longer in use,and have been out of order for many years,they did have 2 dry docks next to Stanley dock but they have also closed as well when they built the Liverpool Link, no neeed for dry docks anymore..!

[Dalesman]

They would have to go to Cammel Lairds where the Daniel Adamson is now, see photos.

 

https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=f77f42c7c0b68f37&id=f77f42c7c0b68f37!9369&ithint=folder,JPG&authkey=!AK4z9-5lIFxxQfk

[jenevers]

The planking seams above the waterline on wooden vessels can tend to open up, particularly during Summer and if static for a long period. In the event of a leak starting for any reason, and going unnoticed, the boat settles a little lower in the water because of the leak and then as progressively more and more dry and open seams are immersed the quantity of water leaking in increases more and more rapidly until the boat blobs.

Yes but a decent bilge pump could have saved the boat.

[David Mack]

They are no longer in use,and have been out of order for many years,they did have 2 dry docks next to Stanley dock but they have also closed as well when they built the Liverpool Link, no neeed for dry docks anymore..!

 

Whether going to Stanley Dock or Birkenhead, any tall ship would have to go out into the Mersey anyway, so does it make any difference that Stanley Dock drydocks are now closed?

Edited September 5, 2015 by David Mack

[Dalesman]

 

Whether going to Stanley Dock or Birkenhead, any tall ship would have to go out into the Mersey anyway, so does it make any difference that Stanley Dock drydocks are now closed?

Yes it does make a difference the lack of dry docks in Liverpool where you can work on that sort of vessel unlike years ago .Do you know how many there were years ago?

Edited September 5, 2015 by Dalesman

[Teadaemon]

Yes but a decent bilge pump could have saved the boat.

You would think so, but if you do the maths it rapidly becomes very obvious that even a small hole below the waterline (like say a 1.5" skin fitting) lets in more water than the bilge pumps on any boat can cope with, and the deeper the hole is, the more water it lets in. Not to mention that even if a bilge pump can cope with the ingress of water, it will only do so as long as it remains unblocked and has power.

[tidal]

A bit of a fag packet calculation suggests that that a 1.5" hole at 1ft below the waterline would give you about 44m³ per hour

I'll let you convert that to gallons per hour

And then look at your bilge pump and worry

[Theo]

 

The planking seams above the waterline on wooden vessels can tend to open up, particularly during Summer and if static for a long period. In the event of a leak starting for any reason, and going unnoticed, the boat settles a little lower in the water because of the leak and then as progressively more and more dry and open seams are immersed the quantity of water leaking in increases more and more rapidly until the boat blobs.

 

That's right. Swabbing the decks on a sailing ship was not just to keep them clean. It was to keep them wet so that the seems didn't open up. I suppose that it a seaway there was sufficient spray to keep the sides wet.

 

N