CRT Make it to No.7

[cotswoldsman]

Salaries in General Charities

 

http://offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/news/NST/richedit/PayStudy11.jpg

Edited February 26, 2015 by cotswoldsman

[Guest]

Salaries in General Charities

 

http://offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/news/NST/richedit/PayStudy11.jpg

 

That's an interesting find. I would have expected it to be closer to something like the NT (the best comparator I can think of) - but clearly its not.

[cotswoldsman]

 

That's an interesting find. I would have expected it to be closer to something like the NT (the best comparator I can think of) - but clearly its not.

I thought the number of staff paid over £60,000 fairly interesting Edited February 26, 2015 by cotswoldsman

[mango]

One of the reasons that CRT was formed was to allow it to secure funds that are only available to charities, something not possible in the days of BW. I don't know how successful this is but effort is certainly being made.

 

Like its predecessor, CRT has to deal with a minority of vocal boaters who think they run the waterways and need to be disabused of this. I doubt if the National Trust has a problem with people outstaying their welcome in their visitors car park.

[Guest]

I thought the number of staff paid over £60,000 fairly interesting

 

Indeed I clocked that too. Seems disproportionate by quite some margin.

[Machpoint005]

Hmm, the table has CRT as a 'general charity' but I wonder if it is really more comparable with a Quango or Leisure Trust? BW used to be a Quango, after all.

That would make it 3rd out of 5.

[Guest]

One of the reasons that CRT was formed was to allow it to secure funds that are only available to charities, something not possible in the days of BW. I don't know how successful this is but effort is certainly being made.

 

Like its predecessor, CRT has to deal with a minority of vocal boaters who think they run the waterways and need to be disabused of this. I doubt if the National Trust has a problem with people outstaying their welcome in their visitors car park.

 

I was thinking in terms of a property portfolio and asset/facilities management perspective.

 

If not the NT then who would your comparator be?

[pearley]

No wonder the Royal Opera House has financial problems.

[jenlyn]

 

Like its predecessor, CRT has to deal with a minority of vocal boaters who think they run the waterways and need to be disabused of this. I doubt if the National Trust has a problem with people outstaying their welcome in their visitors car park.

I'll pass that one on to Bletchley park.....

[mango]

 

I was thinking in terms of a property portfolio and asset/facilities management perspective.

 

If not the NT then who would your comparator be?

That I cannot comment on.

I'll pass that one on to Bletchley park.....

I don't understand some of what you say but this is an enigma.

[dor]

Whilst they are 7th in the list of general charities, have a look at the payments made in some of the other categories. The Royal Opera House anybody? Or some of the medical charities. Not to mention the "faith" charities - The Church commissioners for example. And who the hell are the Daughters of the Cross of Liege?

[Jerra]

A couple of observations in passing. CRT are more or less in the position NT were in 2013 i.e. 7th as opposed to the NT 8th in 2013.

 

Looking at it from the quango point of view it is more or less in the middle (3rd of 5) which isn't an unreasonable position.

 

With regard to comparisons I too would have thought NT was nearest but then if you consider where NT were in 2013 perhaps they aren't that far away. Perhaps the next league table will have then lower as NT are now.

[Guest]

That I cannot comment on.

I don't understand some of what you say but this is an enigma.

I see what you did there.....

[Markinaboat]

That I cannot comment on.

I don't understand some of what you say but this is an enigma.

Now you're just talking in riddles

[Laurence Hogg]

Salaries in General Charities

 

http://offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/news/NST/richedit/PayStudy11.jpg

 

With only 2200 miles of track, 32000 boats how the hell do you need 65 staff in excess of £60k to run a relatively minor system? That's less mileage than the average big city and far less moving units. One office block with 10 staff working efficiently should be able to do the job.

[Tuscan]

Whilst they are 7th in the list of general charities, have a look at the payments made in some of the other categories. The Royal Opera House anybody? Or some of the medical charities. Not to mention the "faith" charities - The Church commissioners for example. And who the hell are the Daughters of the Cross of Liege?

Ah no one expects the Spanish inquisition ........

[churchward]

Ah no one expects the Spanish inquisition ........

Even less the Belgian...

[dmr]

Whats interesting here is the relatively small spread in top salaries, so ranking is almost meaningless as a small change in salary could have a big impact on ranking. The lowest salary is 120-140, so CaRTs top salary is less than twice that for a high stress job. I would not do Richards job (assuming he is the high earner) fot that salary.

Number of jobs paying more than £60k is a worry but what is the total workforce?????

80k might have been a better measure. An older top tradesman (perhaps a head of a team) working hard with a lot of overtime could just manage 60k (though probably not working for CaRT!)

 

...............Dave

[Stilllearning]

Ah no one expects the Spanish inquisition ........

Except that, according to QI, one did always expect them.

I looked up the Daughters of the cross of Liege, quite an interesting and possibly useful bunch of god-botherers.

[jenlyn]

This is the actual breakdown as of 2013-14

 

60-70 thousand=21

 

70-80 thousand=18

 

80-90 thousand=7

 

90-100 thousand=8

 

110-120 thousand=4

 

120-130 thousand=2

 

Then 5 employees between 130-200 thousand.

 

The figures above do not include the pension scheme

[jenlyn]

Total number of employees as of 2013-2014.......1555

 

Total employment costs inclusive pension £55 millions.

 

I should point out the figures are for full time employees.

Edited February 26, 2015 by jenlyn

[dmr]

It would be interesting to see comparable figures (including total number of employees) for the end of the BW era to see how things have changed (for better or worse).

 

...........Dave

[jenlyn]

It would be interesting to see comparable figures (including total number of employees) for the end of the BW era to see how things have changed (for better or worse).

 

...........Dave

I'll see if I have them.

[dmr]

I'll see if I have them.

 

Don't put in any effort, I expect they have a different way of counting now so as to make comparison impossible!

This is a general observation about all big organisations,not just CaRT.

 

55million between 1555 works out at £35k each on average (less in reality due to the part timers)

I think we have to deduct the employers pension contribution, and NI etc so I expect the average salary is well below 30k.

 

If its actually about £20k then the top bods get about 10 times that, so at least CaRT are better than the banks!!!!!;

 

..............Dave

[Bettie Boo]

Total number of employees as of 2013-2014.......1555

 

Total employment costs inclusive pension £55 millions.

 

I should point out the figures are for full time employees.

 

so according to my simple maths...

 

1 full time employee for every 1 & 1/4 mile of canal

 

wonder how many casual / part time / zero hour contracts are employed with the trust on top of the 1,555 full timers?