Peter07 Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Hello, just received our survey and one of the concerns is the galley waste outlet is 60mm above the waterline, is this acceptable? This is our first boat and looking for advice, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Technically yes, since the BSS requirements for private boats don't specify a minimum. But common sense should guide you here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 If that's about all they can find worth mentioning it's sounding like a good boat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter07 Posted March 23 Author Report Share Posted March 23 Thanks for the replies and advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 5 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: If that's about all they can find worth mentioning it's sounding like a good boat. I have to have a survey on my new boat which goes against the grain for me, but for full insurance I will have to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, peterboat said: I have to have a survey on my new boat which goes against the grain for me, but for full insurance I will have to do it Mad isn't it, jobs for the boys Peter 😩 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, mrsmelly said: Mad isn't it, jobs for the boys Peter 😩 No it makes perfect sense. They don't want people buying knackered old rust buckets and insuring them comprehensively. The survey is probably as much a valuation as well as a condition report. Or put it this way, I wouldn't want to own shares in an insco that doesn't require surveys! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Just now, mrsmelly said: Mad isn't it, jobs for the boys Peter 😩 Absolutely, I am taking it out for hull painting, we are spraying it navy blue, car paint better finish and longer lasting. Then it's an anti foul of some description, there are some fantastic vehicle protection systems that might be good for the job, anti rust will be zinga as it's well proven on my own boat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Skin fittings on boats may often be close to the waterline or even below the waterline . I don;t have a picture of skin fittings below the waterline but I do have three on my boat and there is nothing unusual about that. What is important is what happens to the hose attached to the skin fittings inside the boat. The hose or the item inside the boat has to extend sufficiently far above the waterline to prevent sinking . On a lumpy water boat this has to consider the boat heeled over as in when sailing, when a powerful motorboat is in a turn, or the effects of waves . On a canal boat somewhat less of a risk, perhaps but still there can be waves even if on a modest scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 31 minutes ago, peterboat said: Absolutely, I am taking it out for hull painting, we are spraying it navy blue, car paint better finish and longer lasting. Then it's an anti foul of some description, there are some fantastic vehicle protection systems that might be good for the job, anti rust will be zinga as it's well proven on my own boat Bear in mind YOU know the condition of your boat but the insco doesn't. The surveyor is their eyes and ears in terms of assessing its condition. And there is more to it, if the survey is hookey or lying, the surveyor will generally get sued for any losses resulting. So demanding a survey is insurance for the insurance company! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Momac said: Skin fittings on boats may often be close to the waterline or even below the waterline . I don;t have a picture of skin fittings below the waterline but I do have three on my boat and there is nothing unusual about that. I have 14 thru-hulls that are below the water line, BUT - each one has a stop-valve (sea cock) so any leaks can be closed down. Wooden plugs are located at each valve (sea cock) in case the valve itself fails. Engine (1) cooling water in Engine (1) cooling water out Engine (1) Exhaust Engine (2) cooling water in Engine (2) cooling water out Engine (2) Exhaust Forward Toilet flush water in Forward Toilet Flush water out En-Suite (Stern) Toilet flush water in En Suite (Stern) Toilet Flush water out Pump-Out tank Black water out Pump-Out tank Grey water out Speed Log/Paddle Sounder Transducer Edited March 23 by Alan de Enfield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 8 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: I have 14 thru-hulls that are below the water line Ok but what about your boat?? 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Momac said: Skin fittings on boats may often be close to the waterline or even below the waterline . I don;t have a picture of skin fittings below the waterline but I do have three on my boat and there is nothing unusual about that. What is important is what happens to the hose attached to the skin fittings inside the boat. The hose or the item inside the boat has to extend sufficiently far above the waterline to prevent sinking . On a lumpy water boat this has to consider the boat heeled over as in when sailing, when a powerful motorboat is in a turn, or the effects of waves . On a canal boat somewhat less of a risk, perhaps but still there can be waves even if on a modest scale. I have had two shear off when they have caught protruding steel work, thankfully not at the water line or below, This one was quite close down and I changed it out while in drydock Edited March 23 by ditchcrawler Better photo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said: I have had two shear off when they have caught protruding steel work, thankfully not at the water line or below, This one was quite close down and I changed it out while in drydock Presumably weakened due to dezincification (maybe caused by insufficient anodes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, peterboat said: I have to have a survey on my new boat which goes against the grain for me, but for full insurance I will have to do it The OP may think you are talking about a new boat. I think you are probably talking about an old boat which you bought recently? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, MtB said: Bear in mind YOU know the condition of your boat but the insco doesn't. The surveyor is their eyes and ears in terms of assessing its condition. And there is more to it, if the survey is hookey or lying, the surveyor will generally get sued for any losses resulting. So demanding a survey is insurance for the insurance company! Has anyone in all history ever successfully sued a surveyor? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 50 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: Presumably weakened due to dezincification (maybe caused by insufficient anodes). I don't think so, 18 tons pushing the fitting at 3 mph against the edge of a heavy duty( I don't know the name) steel pile something is going to give 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 4 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: Has anyone in all history ever successfully sued a surveyor? Exactly Arthur which is why it's a reluctant survey for me! I will repair it first and then survey, I don't really trust the surveyor after JohnVs experience of one! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 8 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: Has anyone in all history ever successfully sued a surveyor? I started the process and my Solicitor said - DO NOT proceed, the survey small print excludes everything he has written, continue, and not only will you be paying all your costs you'll be paying all his costs as well. It cost me £20,000+ to put right what the surveyor had missed but my Solicitor said it would have cost me far more if I had gone to court. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianws Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 I'm guessing an insurer couldn't take action regarding a claim resulting from faults not covered in a dodgy survey they relied on as they wouldn't be part of the contract. Would they push it back on the boat owner, who would then find it practically impossible to sue the surveyor, or would they just accept the survey and pay out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 6 hours ago, Arthur Marshall said: Has anyone in all history ever successfully sued a surveyor? We got £3k off the purchase price of our first boat we bought, due to the survey. And they spotted the propeller nut wasn't present. So it worked out for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNB116 Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 I had a similar finding on my first boat, a few years ago now, and if my memory serves me right a simple loop of hose pipe above the intake fixed it. Perhaps worth investigating? I’m not an expert but I think it may fail the BSS without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, PNB116 said: I had a similar finding on my first boat, a few years ago now, and if my memory serves me right a simple loop of hose pipe above the intake fixed it. Perhaps worth investigating? I’m not an expert but I think it may fail the BSS without it. Not unless it is a hire boat, it won't. For private boats it is only an advisory, but in any case the flooding height is the sink rim PROVIDED pipe between the hull outlet remains intact and in place. If a length of hose has been used then I would double hose clip it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatmanblue Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, PNB116 said: I had a similar finding on my first boat, a few years ago now, and if my memory serves me right a simple loop of hose pipe above the intake fixed it. Perhaps worth investigating? I’m not an expert but I think it may fail the BSS without it. It certainly shouldn't fail BSS if it is a private boat. A marine surveyor probably won't like it, as you have found out. My boat has a skin fitting that is basically on the waterline when underway. Never been an issue for BSS (6 BSS and 3 different testers) and never been an issue whilst cruising. I have just moved it though, I've never liked the idea of the possibility of it catching on something and shearing off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 (edited) 10 hours ago, Momac said: Skin fittings on boats may often be close to the waterline or even below the waterline . I don;t have a picture of skin fittings below the waterline but I do have three on my boat and there is nothing unusual about that. What is important is what happens to the hose attached to the skin fittings inside the boat. The hose or the item inside the boat has to extend sufficiently far above the waterline to prevent sinking . On a lumpy water boat this has to consider the boat heeled over as in when sailing, when a powerful motorboat is in a turn, or the effects of waves . On a canal boat somewhat less of a risk, perhaps but still there can be waves even if on a modest scale. If they're very close to or below the waterline then they should have a seacock fitted. Ideally all through hull skin fittings should be 10" above the waterline and that's why the OP's surveyor has picked it up. It's not a BSS requirement but it is a recommendation. You say there's nothing unusual about having skin fittings closer to the waterline and that may be true, many canal boats have skin fittings that are too close to the waterline which is not ideal. Also it's not just about the pipe or hose attached to the fitting inside the boat. If the fitting is sheared off in a lock or on a wall as Ditchcrawler describes, then a hole may be left in the side of the hull only a few inches above the waterline which the owner may be unaware of. Then the pipes or hoses connected to the ruptured fitting become irrelevant. Skin fittings getting sheared off isn't as uncommon as one might think, especially if they are plastic like the ones in your picture. Plastic skin fittings have no place on a canal boat. Edited March 24 by blackrose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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