Not looking good for us

[peterboat]

8 minutes ago, Midnight said:

.... bugger and I've just had this built. 'NB Yorkshire' complete with dry canal cruise control, swing bridge opener and lock crane.

I want some of those, I was on the bottom in Sheffield last year!

[Midnight]

2 minutes ago, peterboat said:

I want some of those, I was on the bottom in Sheffield last year!

No good to you they are only guaranteed for 6 months

[matty40s]

55 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Do you reckon they'll even have canals with "reel, wet, watter" ?

Plenty of watter so long as your not planning on the Chesterfield 

[Boaty Jo]

Some costs posted on  CART notice board.. 

[IanD]

1 hour ago, Boaty Jo said:

Some costs posted on  CART notice board.. 

 

That does have some eye-opening figures for the cost per "thing", but without knowing how many of each type of "thing" there are it still doesn't tell us how much money per year gets spent on what -- I don't suppose anyone knows?

 

P.S. I note there's no "erecting a pointless blue sign" cost... 😉

[MtB]

2 minutes ago, IanD said:

P.S. I note there's no "erecting a pointless blue sign" cost... 😉

 

If we imagine they cost £100 each to make and £100 to erect, we get 

 

(£100+£100) x 850,000 blue signs (estimated) = £170m 

 

So thats where all the money went! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[IanD]

Just now, MtB said:

 

If we imagine they cost £100 each to make and £100 to erect, we get 

 

(£100+£100) x 850,000 blue signs (estimated) = £170m 

 

So thats where all the money went!

 

 

850000, wow that's one every 4 yards -- where are they all? 😉

[Jon57]

1 minute ago, MtB said:

 

If we imagine they cost £100 each to make and £100 to erect, we get 

 

(£100+£100) x 850,000 blue signs (estimated) = £170m 

 

So thats where all the money went! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No they could put them up while emptying the bins at £115 a pop 😭

[IanD]

4 minutes ago, Jon57 said:

No they could put them up while emptying the bins at £115 a pop 😭

You do realise that's per year, not per emptying? 😉

 

Mind you, given how seldom some of them seem to be emptied... 😞

[Alan de Enfield]

7 minutes ago, IanD said:

You do realise that's per year, not per emptying? 😉

 

Mind you, given how seldom some of them seem to be emptied... 😞

 

Our Biffa contract is £23 + VAT per 'lift' (empty) per bin.

 

I cannot believe that C&RT are paying £2 per bin per lift -  however, if you read the 'detail' it shows that is only for 'small litter bins' along side the canal.

 

They also quote £2675 per year for bin emptying per 'waste compound'.

How many compounds do they have ? (200-300-400, more ?)

 

100 compounds = £267,500

200 compounds = £535,000

300 compounds = £802,500

[IanD]

24 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Our Biffa contract is £23 + VAT per 'lift' (empty) per bin.

 

I cannot believe that C&RT are paying £2 per bin per lift -  however, if you read the 'detail' it shows that is only for 'small litter bins' along side the canal.

 

They also quote £2675 per year for bin emptying per 'waste compound'.

How many compounds do they have ? (200-300-400, more ?)

 

100 compounds = £267,500

200 compounds = £535,000

300 compounds = £802,500

I did read the detail, but it seems you didn't... 😉

 

We're still guessing at how many of each "thing" CART have, until we know that it's impossible to see where they're actually spending the money... 😞

[Higgs]

I roughly calculated that from one marina, CRT extract something in the region of £250, 000, from people who never leave private ground and never use the canal.

 

 

 

[Mad Harold]

14 hours ago, Midnight said:

 

Canals with water in them???? Now I know you're joking.

I once met a bloke in a pub, who had a cousin, who's wife had a friend who swore that she had once seen water in the HNC. 🎃🐵🐸😜

[TheBiscuits]

28 minutes ago, Mad Harold said:

I once met a bloke in a pub, who had a cousin, who's wife had a friend who swore that she had once seen water in the HNC. 🎃🐵🐸😜

 

Although it was raining hard at the time ...

[Orwellian]

3 hours ago, Higgs said:

I roughly calculated that from one marina, CRT extract something in the region of £250, 000, from people who never leave private ground and never use the canal.

 

 

 

But are floating on water provided by CRT and using a marina that wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the adjacent canal. Is your figure an annual one? 

[MtB]

1 minute ago, Orwellian said:

But are floating on water provided by CRT and using a marina that wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the adjacent canal. Is your figure an annual one? 

 

Don't get 'im started, you'll never win. 

 

Higgs has a major blind spot where marina NAA charges are concerned! 

 

 

[Orwellian]

Just now, MtB said:

 

Don't get 'im started, you'll never win. 

 

Higgs has a major blind spot where marina NAA charges are concerned! 

 

 

Yes I know but he might be persuaded by reason one day? It's an odd post in a topic about CRT not having sufficient money to look after the waterways. Let's get them even less!

[MtB]

23 minutes ago, Orwellian said:

Yes I know but he might be persuaded by reason one day? It's an odd post in a topic about CRT not having sufficient money to look after the waterways. Let's get them even less!

 

Fat chance of that, never happened in the Pillings Lock marina thread. The more evidence and logic you come up with, the deeper he digs into denial.

 

The was a psychology study once analysing this effect and it was given a name, but I've forgotten it and by whom.

 

 

It's his hot button. Any opportunity to have a rant about it is grabbed.

 

[Higgs]

51 minutes ago, Orwellian said:

But are floating on water provided by CRT and using a marina that wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the adjacent canal. Is your figure an annual one? 

 

It's the land, not the water, that creates entitlement. The figure is an annual figure, and it's conservative. 

 

 

 

 

[Orwellian]

For the sake of MtB I'm going to leave it there.

[Higgs]

Just now, Orwellian said:

For the sake of MtB I'm going to leave it there.

 

Good for you. Wise choice.

 

 

[MtB]

1 minute ago, Orwellian said:

For the sake of MtB I'm going to leave it there.

 

Phew!

 

 

[IanD]

55 minutes ago, Orwellian said:

But are floating on water provided by CRT and using a marina that wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the adjacent canal. Is your figure an annual one? 

Since the NAA fee is 9% of marina fees, this would imply a marina with an annual income of £2.8M, which means something like 1000 boats. Are there really any marinas on the canals this big?

[Orwellian]

Just now, MtB said:

 

Phew!

 

 

You're welcome!

Just now, IanD said:

Since the NAA fee is 9% of marina fees, this would imply a marina with an annual income of £2.8M, which means something like 1000 boats. Are there really any marinas on the canals this big?

No stop it!!

[Higgs]

Just now, IanD said:

Since the NAA fee is 9% of marina fees, this would imply a marina with an annual income of £2.8M, which means something like 1000 boats. Are there really any marinas on the canals this big?

 

Didn't even include the 9%. All based on licence fees paid on the terms and conditions of the marina, by a proportion of the moorers, that I've roughly calculated never leave private property.