Boat dwellers to be able to claim the £400 energy allowance.

[Arthur Marshall]

An accusation of hypocrisy is usually made by someone who feels guilty that they aren't doing whatever they're accusing the apparent hypocrite of, if you can untangle the grammar of that sentence.

Or by someone just bored and looking to start a ruck.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

Or by someone just bored and looking to start a ruck.

 

A bit like this post perhaps?

[Arthur Marshall]

31 minutes ago, M_JG said:

 

A bit like this post perhaps?

Nah, just an observation. Anything for a peaceful life, me.

[peterboat]

5 hours ago, MartynG said:

That's not the point. I don't claim to be saving the planet . Like you do.

 

 

4 hours ago, MartynG said:

 

I try, my boat is electric so is clean to use, solar provides for 8 months of the year hot water and fuel for cooking. I have 3 electric vehicles, one with solar on the roof for charging  the other 2 can be charged from the boat solar. Yes I have a generator and a diesel campervan I use HVO which I thought was cleaner than diesel but it has its own problems. 

My heating is predominantly wood, again I try, in reality someone who is small minded can always find fault, perhaps other members on here are right about certain forum members?

Thanks to those members 

[PD1964]

13 hours ago, peterboat said:

 

I try, my boat is electric so is clean to use, solar provides for 8 months of the year hot water and fuel for cooking. I have 3 electric vehicles, one with solar on the roof for charging  the other 2 can be charged from the boat solar. Yes I have a generator and a diesel campervan I use HVO which I thought was cleaner than diesel but it has its own problems. 

My heating is predominantly wood, again I try, in reality someone who is small minded can always find fault, perhaps other members on here are right about certain forum members?

Thanks to those members 

 I see hypocrites buying electric boats quite often, unlike yourself Peter who is trying by also having EV’s for daily use, they still have diesel estates/4x4’s and travel hundreds of miles to view the build progress of their new “Silent Eco Friendly” boat. They even go on Social Media telling everyone how brilliant Eco boating is while not mentioning still having a diesel vehicle. Maybe they think in having an electric boat it cancels out their big Diesel vehicle pollution?  

Edited January 28, 2023 by PD1964

[Steilsteven]

18 hours ago, MartynG said:

I did not accuse anyone of hypocrisy

I just posted the definition of the word

 

🥱

[Steilsteven]

17 hours ago, MartynG said:

Another  great thing about internet forums is you can leave people in suspense.

 

The great thing about pubs is that gobby people usually end up with a punch to nose.

[Arthur Marshall]

1 hour ago, PD1964 said:

 I see hypocrites buying electric boats quite often, unlike yourself Peter who is trying by also having EV’s for daily use, they still have diesel estates/4x4’s and travel hundreds of miles to view the build progress of their new “Silent Eco Friendly” boat. They even go on Social Media telling everyone how brilliant Eco boating is while not mentioning still having a diesel vehicle. Maybe they think in having an electric boat it cancels out their big Diesel vehicle pollution?  

Whatever people drive, I think it just makes sense these days to go for an electric boat, without even considering the eco factor, which one can argue about till the methane producing cows come home, if you take into account stuff like batteries, steel, construction costs and so on.

Peter was a bit of a pioneer - I remember being baffled by the whole idea when he mentioned it first and having to be educated somewhat. But anyone who these days thinks they might be boating in thirty years time, surely would consider a bit of relatively free power over ever more costly diesel?

[Steilsteven]

Boating, apart from maybe in a wooden rowing boat, isn't and can never be truly described as environmentally friendly no matter how you go about it but it is possible to make it less damaging.

 

Keith 

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Steilsteven said:

Boating, apart from maybe in a wooden rowing boat, isn't and can never be truly described as environmentally friendly no matter how you go about it but it is possible to make it less damaging.

 

Keith 

 

???

 

 

[Alan de Enfield]

9 minutes ago, M_JG said:

 

???

 

 

 

I'd bet it has an engine.

 

RYA statistcs show that sailing boats use the engine for over 50% of the time cruising (except when on long distance - trans Atlantic for example - where you cannot carry enough fuel)

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

I'd bet it has an engine.

 

RYA statistcs show that sailing boats use the engine for over 50% of the time cruising (except when on long distance - trans Atlantic for example - where you cannot carry enough fuel)

 

 Yes but its possible to move the thing without.

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, M_JG said:

 

 Yes but its possible to move the thing without.

 

As long as you only want to move when the wind blows, and blows in roughly the 'right' direction.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

As long as you only want to move when the wind blows, and blows in roughly the 'right' direction.

 

Dear gawd.

 

Over and out.

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

How about these, no engines on them.

 

 

Recognise them?

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, M_JG said:

Over and out.

 

School boy error - You've obviously never taken (or passed) you VHF radio course.

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

School boy error - You've obviously never taken (or passed) you VHF radio course.

yes, he forgot to Roger you and out. 

[magnetman]

Roger that. 

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, Goliath said:

yes, he forgot to Roger you and out. 

 

 

Not sure I'd enjoy being Rogered by MJG !!!

[magnetman]

Interestingly London VTS always use the term "Roger" to confirm. It is not official language for VHF use but the most professional of the bunch use it all the time..

[rusty69]

7 minutes ago, magnetman said:

Interestingly London VTS always use the term "Roger" to confirm. It is not official language for VHF use but the most professional of the bunch use it all the time..

The guys in Norfolk all say "Roger that" 

 

Vary rarely say "out" 

[tree monkey]

19 hours ago, M_JG said:

 

But you make a living out of ensuring older and very inefficient gas  boilers keep working.

 

In the green stakes I would say that makes you a hypocrite too.

Only making a general point about the hypocrisy here, just quoted you as an example. 

It's borderline impossible to live in this world without creating some sort of pollution, carbon dioxide being the current obsession, but the curious thing here is Mike by maintaining older boilers and Peter with his drive for renewable power are both making a positive difference, how much is difficult to say but the cry of hypocrisy in my opinion is unfair and quite frankly until there are practical alternatives to the coal and diesel that Peter uses pointless.

 

 

[tree monkey]

16 hours ago, peterboat said:

 

I try, my boat is electric so is clean to use, solar provides for 8 months of the year hot water and fuel for cooking. I have 3 electric vehicles, one with solar on the roof for charging  the other 2 can be charged from the boat solar. Yes I have a generator and a diesel campervan I use HVO which I thought was cleaner than diesel but it has its own problems. 

My heating is predominantly wood, again I try, in reality someone who is small minded can always find fault, perhaps other members on here are right about certain forum members?

Thanks to those members 

I do think you have become somewhat of a punching bag for the cry of hypocrisy and it's unpleasant and wrong, yes you can be a touch evangelical about the subject but good for you, this place is mostly the better of the presence of those that actually do the stuff rather than talk about it

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Goliath said:

yes, he forgot to Roger you and out. 

 

Now I cannot get a horrible image out my head.

[Paul C]

Indeed. Remember, MJG is effectively "out of the game" for 8 years and counting; and his hobby is internet forums. Others have boating as a hobby or lifestyle and are more directly involved in the subject matter.