Time to go

[Athy]

1 minute ago, Loddon said:

I just stated a fact,  no names mentioned, could be anyone.

Hmmm...

 

[LadyG]

4 hours ago, doratheexplorer said:

Sorry to be harsh but this proposal is utterly selfish, I would have thought better from the OP.  Lots of us would love to go cruising but we aren't.  Non-essential travel has been ruled out by the government - this is quite clearly non-essential travel.  This is a classic case of entitlement and 'the rules don't apply to me'.  And you say you're an expert in disease control???  So let presume you already have the virus but don't know it - how do you propose to get yourself from Goole to Ripon without touching anything on the way or once you get there?  Using the excuse that we've been told to stay at home and therefore you can move about like this because your boat is your home is appaling pedantry.  You know damn well that's not what the advice means and you're using a technicality to try and dodge round the rules.  The 14 day rule has been relaxed for a reason - it's to try and prevent all non-essential boat movements, but allow boaters to still access vital services. 

 

People are dying because of selfish attitudes like yours.  I'm frankly disgusted.

I'm not going out for a jollie, being a high risk person and someone with experience of disease control, I would be happy to help t'others, because I know how to control disease.

I am more in danger from others than vice versa.

On Monday four adults arrived next door, that is not only unnecessary travel, it is stupid.

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by LadyG

[doratheexplorer]

8 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I'm not going out for a jollie, being a high risk person and someone with experience of disease control, I would be happy to help t'others, because I know how to control disease.

I am more in danger from others than vice versa.

On Monday four adults arrived next door, that is not only unnecessary travel, it is stupid.

 

Thanks for the whatabouttery. I’m still disgusted. You should be ashamed of yourself. What is you me valid reason for this trip. It had better be good. 

[LadyG]

4 hours ago, RLWP said:

And, should you already happen to have the virus, and it causes you to need to be hospitalised - what then?

 

Richard

I don't have the virus. I won't get except by idiots taking no precautions, and Joe Public who does not understand about disease.

I have been taking precautions since  for the last three months.

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by LadyG

[doratheexplorer]

1 hour ago, dor said:

With the expectation of severe restrictions coming in shortly, My wife Chris went to the boat yesterday afternoon to clear out any food, cleaning materials, bog rolls etc.   Just in time.  I don't think we would have any risk in going to the boat, as we moor on the offside in a long pound, and I had been half expecting we would go regularly for a break.  Even bought more coal on Saturday!

 

 

However whilst I don't think there would be any risk to myself (and I am very vulnerable) or others, the spirit of the latest restrictions means we will stay at home (although I have to go to the hospital this afternoon for one of my important regular scans).   I suppose I could say "sod the lot of you", and probably get away with it, but it's not a good example to set others.  Hopefully I can maintain my sanity in the house, but oh what would I give to go for a bit of boating; god knows what i will feel like in a few weeks time.

Thank you for restoring a bit of my faith in people. 

31 minutes ago, Athy said:

Expressing opinions is fine. Personal insults to other members are not fine. Careful, gentlemen, please.

People opening posting their intention to break the law (and let’s not split hairs here, that’s what this amounts to) is most definitely not fine. Her intentions are about as selfish as it’s possible to get. 

[howardang]

10 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I'm not going out for a jollie, being a high risk person and someone with experience of disease control, I would be happy to help t'others, because I know how to control disease.

I am more in danger from others than vice versa.

On Monday four adults arrived next door, that is not only unnecessary travel, it is stupid.

 

So on your "non jolly" despite your self proclaimed expertise you succumb to the virus, are you happy about the unnecessary work which would be incurred in looking after you? I'm sorry but in my view your justifications don't hold water.

 

Howard

[doratheexplorer]

10 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I don't have the virus. I won't get except by idiots taking no precautions, and Joe Public who does not understand about disease.

I have been taking precautions since  for the last three months.

 

Then you are quite clearly not an expert in epidemiology or disease control. The fact is that you do not know that you don’t have the virus. There are no precautions which could completely protect you, short of being stranded on an uninhabited island for the last 3 months. Goole Docks don’t count. And even if you had been totally isolated, you’d still be wrong. Your boat on a trip like this sets an awful example to others who might be considering doing similar. Show some consideration!!! The canals and rivers will still be there when this pandemic is over, some people won’t!!! PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!

Edited March 24, 2020 by doratheexplorer

[LadyG]

1 minute ago, howardang said:

So on your "non jolly" despite your self proclaimed expertise you succumb to the virus, are you happy about the unnecessary work which would be incurred in looking after you? I'm sorry but in my view your justifications don't hold water.

 

Howard

I won't "catch " a disease.

Disease is spread by people who are infectious spreading it.

I am not prepared to sit in a marina surrounded by people who don't know  how to contain a virus

2 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:

Then you are quite clearly not an expert in epidemiology or disease control. The fact is that you do not know that you don’t have the virus. There are no precautions which could completely protect you, short of being stranded on an uninhabited island for the last 3 months. Goole Docks don’t count. And even if you had been totally isolated, you’d still be wrong. Your boat on a trip like this sets an awful example to others who might be considering doing similar. Show some consideration!!! The canals and rivers will still be there when this pandemic is over, some people won’t!!! PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!

I have not been socialising , at all for four weeks. I won't die. It wont help anyone if I mix with infection.

[Dyertribe]

14 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I don't have the virus. I won't get except by idiots taking no precautions, and Joe Public who does not understand about disease.

I have been taking precautions since  for the last three months.

 

You don’t have the virus AS FAR AS YOU KNOW.

Not the same thing

[MtB]

4 minutes ago, LadyG said:

Disease is spread by people who are infectious spreading it.

 

And?

 

You've missed out a whopper of another method of transmission, that I don't think you realise. 

 

[RLWP]

4 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I won't "catch " a disease.

Disease is spread by people who are infectious spreading it.

I am not prepared to sit in a marina surrounded by people who don't know  how to contain a virus

I have not been socialising , at all for four weeks. I won't die. It wont help anyone if I mix with infection.

Anyway - more to the point, It seems to me that rather than being selfish, you are actually bloody scared. Which is far more understandable

 

I'm finding the whole situation incredibly weird just at the moment

 

Richard

[Chagall]

56 minutes ago, LadyG said:

 

On Monday four adults arrived next door, that is not only unnecessary travel, it is stupid.

 

Is this perhaps the reason for wishing to get away?.... do you not get on with them through the window? ...you have enough you said for self isolation for four weeks where you are.   I dont imagine anybody would get in a paddy about moving onto the tow path for a night or two's break from the confines of a marina, if the marina allowed it.  But as somebody else pointed out you might not be able to get back in to fill up with water, even if you dont need diesel.  However there is the point now that crt have relaxed the rules about moving at least untill the 14th April, you could of course elect to stay towpath, but you will still need water. It's the travelling aspect that is being suggested as very much against the current restrictions that everybody else is having to put up with, some in far greater hardships than you in your sanitised bubble.  

 

As churchward and others have pointed out your "bugger boris" attitude isnt helping, it's a small community and you have chosen to live it, get on with it like everybody else has to and listen to what others are saying.  

Edited March 24, 2020 by Chagall
fairness

[Alan de Enfield]

21 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I have been taking precautions since  for the last three months.

You had a premonition, & you were taking precautions in the middle of December.

 

It was not until the 31st December 2019, WHO was informed of a cluster of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China.

 

Walter Mitty.

[churchward]

23 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:

People opening posting their intention to break the law (and let’s not split hairs here, that’s what this amounts to) is most definitely not fine. Her intentions are about as selfish as it’s possible to get. 

I understand you point but right now at least LadyG is not breaking any law.  She might be once the emergency powers at is enacted but not right now.  There is restriction on liveaboards going to their boats now as this would be non-essential travel.

 

There has been no instruction either from CRT or EA to stop movement of boats but they are making it easier to stay put if people wish.

 

LadyG is going into isolation it may not be the most sensible thing to do should she need help but if she is OK she isn't really effecting anyone, However, I do not know what her intentions are or where she is going and the "blow Boris" attitude is not what is needed right now.

[Jennifer McM]

8 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

You had a premonition, & you were taking precautions in the middle of December.

 

It was not until the 31st December 2019, WHO was informed of a cluster of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China.

 

Walter Mitty.

Yet WHO on 14th Jan believed the Chinese?

 

 

 

[howardang]

59 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I won't "catch " a disease.

Disease is spread by people who are infectious spreading it.

I am not prepared to sit in a marina surrounded by people who don't know  how to contain a virus

I have not been socialising , at all for four weeks. I won't die. It wont help anyone if I mix with infection.

Just for the record, I never used the phrase "catch the disease, I said succumb;,something that can happen despite the undoubted self confidence you have in your knowledge. 

 

With your self professed expertise I am just a little surprised that you haven't offered your services to the hard pressed NHS. 

 

Have a good holiday, and lets keep our fingers crossed that you don't become one of the statistics we are reading about daily.

 

Howard

Edited March 24, 2020 by howardang

[LadyG]

27 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:

Thanks for the whatabouttery. I’m still disgusted. You should be ashamed of yourself. What is you me valid reason for this trip. It had better be good. 

I don't think I need to justify my actions to anyone. I told you, I have expertise, I saw this coming, I have not allowed any contagious virus in to my home. I am high risk, I'd need to use 999 if I could not breath.

 

[LadyG]

30 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

You had a premonition, & you were taking precautions in the middle of December.

 

It was not until the 31st December 2019, WHO was informed of a cluster of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China.

One guy went to Chin, went ski-ing, infected eleven pepole, and so on .....................

 

Walter Mitty.

China clamped down on the Dr who raised concerns, it was already out of his control. 

No premonition, I have to keep away from infection: xmas and family usually knock me out for three weeks.

I have not been out since xmas other than essentials.

Edited March 24, 2020 by LadyG

[Chagall]

1 hour ago, LadyG said:

I'm not going out for a jollie, being a high risk person and someone with experience of disease control, I would be happy to help t'others, because I know how to control disease.

I am more in danger from others than vice versa.

On Monday four adults arrived next door, that is not only unnecessary travel, it is stupid.

 

So help them. Show them "how to control disease"   It sounds more like you dont really want to help, you just want to get away from others... cant blame you for that, but if you saw it coming, you perhaps needed to have silently shifted long before now.  (and give up the 'expert' tagline a bit, it's wearing really thin!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by Chagall
felt like it

[RLWP]

16 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I don't think I need to justify my actions to anyone. I told you, I have expertise, I saw this coming, I have not allowed any contagious virus in to my home. I am high risk, I'd need to use 999 if I could not breath.

 

Be very careful what you choose to do. Should you already have the virus and need to call 999, will an ambulance be able to get to you - let alone in time.

 

I think your understandable fear is likely to put you at far greater risk. From your first post, you seem to have about enough supplies to hide for around two weeks - you'll be looking for food, diesel and loo roll at the peak of the infection

 

Richard

[LadyG]

29 minutes ago, howardang said:

Just for the record, I never used the phrase "catch the disease, I said succumb;,something that can happen despite the undoubted self confidence you have in your knowledge. 

 

With your self professed expertise I am just a little surprised that you haven't offered your services to the hard pressed NHS. 

 

Have a good holiday, and lets keep our fingers crossed that you do don't become one of the statistics we are reading about daily.

 

Howard

It's not a holiday, I live on my boat, makes no difference where my boat is today or next week.

 

5 minutes ago, RLWP said:

Be very careful what you choose to do. Should you already have the virus and need to call 999, will an ambulance be able to get to you - let alone in time.

 

I think your understandable fear is likely to put you at far greater risk. From your first post, you seem to have about enough supplies to hide for around two weeks - you'll be looking for food, diesel and loo roll at the peak of the infection

 

Richard

I am not afraid

[RLWP]

3 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I am not afraid

Are you sure? You fear the virus, fear the four people on the next boat, fear people in the marina who cannot wash their hands properly and are planning to run away and hide

 

It would be very normal to be afraid, especially if you have a breathing disorder

 

God knows, I'm pretty fit and I'm scared by this situation

 

Richard

[KenK]

7 hours ago, LadyG said:

"Trapped" in Marina in Goole, ready to go, first trip, can anyone advise on route / advisability of a trip to Ripon this week, I have 100 l diesel, enough food, and bog rolls for two weeks. 

jo

Ignoring the rights and wrongs.

As far as I remember ABP operate the lock onto the Ouse and their rules state 2 person on the boat and you need VHF.

Naburn and Selby locks are keeper operated and may not be working.

You might be able to make Naburn from Goole on one tide but if not then you would have to be able to enter Selby basin to wait for the next tide.

The three locks to Ripon are manual wide locks.

I suggest you do some checking to see if it is possible,

[LadyG]

4 hours ago, OldGoat said:

 

I mean I can poop in a tank under my bed, it might last a while if I pee in a river!

I've got one of these:

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by LadyG

[ditchcrawler]

Well the shutdown has started 

 

Notice Alert

Kennet & Avon Canal
Location: Caen Hill Flight (Locks 29 - 44), Kennet & Avon Canal
Starts At: Lock 29, Devizes Lock
Ends At: Lock 44, Sir Hugh Stockwell
Up Stream Winding Hole: Above lock 50

Wednesday 25 March 2020 10:00 until further notice

Type: Navigation Closure
Reason: Information

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Please be advised that as part of our response to Covid-19, we have taken the decision to close Caen Hill Flight between locks 29 and 44, with last boats being admitted at 10:00 AM tomorrow (24.03.20).

This will help us to ensure that available staff are kept safe and only deployed to most critical tasks.

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