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tillergirl

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In Topic: Vaping in work/ public places

Yesterday, 11:26 PM

 

To put another viewpoint.  I am also a reformed nicotine addict (9 years now).  In my case I love the smell of tobacco smoke.  Particularly roll ups and pipes. I would not try a vapouriser because I fear it might lead me back to smoking. Well, not until I've reached my allotted three score years and ten at least

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't help feeling sceptical about who funds that research given that the majority of the big cigarette manufacturers are in the USA

 

Any self respecting purveyor of vaping accoutrements would not offer them to non/reformed smokers or the under 18s. And the biggest manufacturer of the equipment is China. They are the ones who developed it and the better suppliers have perfected it. Almost all of the supply from the USA comes initially from China including the eliquids that comes through the States is from China or Czech Replublic. 

 

 

Nicotine is more addictive than heroin -- I didn't mean it was worse in any other sense.


OK you can enjoy something you are addicted to, but you are still an addict.


 

It is well established and anyone who is equipped to understand a scientific paper can read the evidence.


 

Yes, my thoughts exactly.


Those same manufacturers are now moving into the production of nicotine for use in vapourisers -- and what crop does it come from?


I'd still rather not have the substance anywhere near me in a public space, thanks. 

 

The vapour is only harmless water vapour like steam from a kettle.... the battery heats the liquid on the battery contact , converts it to vapour. The substance on exhalation is water vapour with minute traces of PG/VG and the smell comes from the flavourings. The water used in UK Pharma Grade liquids is either Spring water or distilled water. You can get different combinations of PG/VG: 80/20, 70/30 & 50/50. The latter is used by people who have allergies to higher concentrations of PG.

 

Everyone seems hung up on what is exhaled by a vaper, the fact is that it's water with probably traces of glycerine and nicotine both pretty harmless, there are many other things that we get to inhale during the day that are far more dangerous such as diesel fumes but no one is screaming to abolish diesels.
Phil

 

Correct but no nicotine is exhaled

 

I thought nicotine was highly poisonous and used as an insecticide. There is a good chance that vaping is harmful but it will probably take years to find out.

 

nictoine is toxic in liquid form but then e-liquids are not meant for drinking. There is plenty of British research available on line proving vaping is safe but people seem to choose to believe what the press tell them, 

 

Well put, Ricco.

 

Oh, and of course, this country's fantastic media has also jumped on the bandwagon of slating E-cigs/Vapes.  If just one e-cig battery has ever exploded and injured someone it gets in the papers... non-smokers love to warn Vapering folks about this rolleyes.gif

 

Fake Britian - did a piece on an e-cig catching fire............I'll set the scene......the fire brigade set up a living room put a Click lighter to the end of an e-cig and stuffed it down the side of a sofa..........imitating a real cigarette.........Now I have to ask myself who would really light up the end of an e-cig? That's not the way they work..their use is like everything else electrical/electronic you use it sensibly.

 

The use of vaping equipment and e-liquids will be a controversial subject for quite sometime to come, at least until our government and our medical professions take the time and trouble to research and PUBLISH their data. Ultimately its about freedom of choice and I for one can't help think how many lives would not have been lost to smoking through lung cancer and other smoking related diseases if it had been around years ago. As of yet its not marketed in the UK as a way to stop smoking because the law does not allow that. But for those who choose to use it as a stepping stone to giving up the dreaded weed it can be the way forward. But its not always just about vaping its about what you vape as well. Its always a good thing to know the provenance of anything you are taking into your body. 

 

As an aside my OH started vaping 14 months ago...he started on a 24mg liquid........he is now down to 0mg....now its just a case of throwing the dummy away. He is fitter than he has been for the last 25 years. His sense of smell and taste has returned and he doesn't have that irritating cough first thing in the morning now.  That's got to be a good thing surely??


In Topic: Vaping in work/ public places

19 December 2014 - 10:18 PM

Quoted from an outside source

"Many of us in the vaping community were left mildly stunned last week when the usually venerable World Health Organisation unreasonably suggested banning the use of e-cigarettes in public places. They even wheeled out the children card, insinuating that product advertising (and the variety of delicious e-liquid flavours on offer) could encourage children and non-smokers to take up vaping.

Thankfully a team from University College London have countered the WHO’s report with some actual science and rational logic, concluding that e-cigarettes have the potential to save tens of thousands of lives.

Robert West, professor of health psychology, acknowledged that while there were some toxins present in e-cigarette vapour, the concentration levels were very low.

“You have to be a bit crazy to carry on smoking conventional cigarettes when there are e-cigarettes available,” he states, while adding that; “The vapour contains nothing like the concentrations of carcinogens and toxins as cigarette smoke. In fact, concentrations are almost all well below a twentieth of cigarettes.”

Based on their research, Professor West and his colleague’s have estimated that for every million smokers that switched to e-cigarettes, 6000 lives could be saved, and if all nine million of the estimated smokers in the UK changed to vaping e-cigarettes, 90% of the current 60,000 premature deaths could be prevented.

The UCL’s team’s review and concerns have been backed up by other teams of researchers at Queen Mary’s University’s Tobacco Dependence Unit, as well as the National Addiction Centre at King’s College. They conducted a separate analysis of the research WHO published in their report last week, and came to the conclusion that some of WHO’s theories were “misleading”.

While it’s disappointing that such a well-respected and trusted body like WHO seemed to have shunned basic impartiality and only added to the sensationalist media conjecture that currently surrounds e-cigarette culture, it’s somewhat comforting to know that there are still some highly-regarded independent bodies out there conducting actual research into this relatively new technology, and are actually providing a logical and objective response to media speculation."


In Topic: Kid got Uni Scholarship

17 December 2014 - 11:00 PM

one of my nephews has Aspergers.....he has a degree in English Lit and is a most talented cartoonist! Some of the stuff he produces is phenomenal.


In Topic: Kid got Uni Scholarship

17 December 2014 - 10:25 PM

 

When they get the wind behind their sales, it's a great relief. Now, if he could get a job, stop chatting up all the babes,  I'd relax a little more..lol  

 

Tell him not to go into hospitality...........ours is and it really isn't conducive to studying :( 


In Topic: New Site Staff - Two additional moderators.

17 December 2014 - 09:41 PM

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