AndrewIC Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 The BSS guidance on CO alarms says, "choose a unit showing it was tested to BS EN 50291-2 and suitable for boat use". Seems that little "and" is important; I had originally read that as meaning that EN 50291-2 indicated that an alarm was suitable for boats, but it seems that an alarm should be EN 50291-2 and specifically rated as suitable for boats. Not all are, this is from the manual for a EN 50291-2 alarm I have at home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Good post - well done - its surprising how many people don't read things / instructions before buying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard10002 Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 I wonder what makes CO detection different on a boat to in a house? Genuinely interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W+T Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Richard10002 said: I wonder what makes CO detection different on a boat to in a house? Genuinely interested. i was about to ask the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, W+T said: i was about to ask the exact same thing. I believe the. -2 means it’s been tested for vibration. No idea why a -2 would be unsuitable for a boat but not another type of vehicle tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Richard10002 said: I wonder what makes CO detection different on a boat to in a house? Genuinely interested. Same thing that makes a boat require a safety test every 4 years, whilst a house remains exempt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Interesting. I typed the same question as above ! Some seem to be rated for boats and some not . https://www.safelincs.co.uk/boat-camping-travel-caravan-carbon-monoxide-detectors/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 The only thing I can find is a US website http://www.boatus.com/boattech/articles/codetectors.asp that claims marine use CO detectors can take a transient spike of CO without going off (Engine start with the door open, feeding the stove etc) whereas a house CO detector will trigger at any whiff of CO. Don't know if it's true, but a slightly higher trigger point setting for a boat unit might make sense - preventing people taking the battery out when it keeps going off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W+T Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, rusty69 said: Same thing that makes a boat require a safety test every 4 years, whilst a house remains exempt sounds like another rip for boat owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keeping Up Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 There was one such (I forget which now) and I asked the manufacturer, they said that the "no boats" rating was because it wasn't sealed against being drenched by saltwater waves. He assured me unofficially that it would be fine for a narrowboat but of course they couldn't say so officially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, W+T said: sounds like another rip for boat owners. Actually the cheapest on the following website is boat rated https://www.safelincs.co.uk/boat-camping-travel-caravan-carbon-monoxide-detectors/ 12 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said: Don't know if it's true, but a slightly higher trigger point setting for a boat unit might make sense - preventing people taking the battery out when it keeps going off. I don't think the sensitivity has anything to do with it as some are rated for all uses . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUMPY Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 These are the ones we have https://www.safelincs.co.uk/fire-angel-co-9d-carbon-monoxide-alarm/ And despite what it says they are technically not certified for boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Loddon said: These are the ones we have https://www.safelincs.co.uk/fire-angel-co-9d-carbon-monoxide-alarm/ And despite what it says they are technically not certified for boats. CE marked and Kitemarked to BS EN 50291-1:2010+A1:2012 (domestic use) BS EN 50291-2 (camping, caravanning and travel) The CO-9D doesn't say it is suitable for boats. The CO-9B or -9X do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said: Don't know if it's true, but a slightly higher trigger point setting for a boat unit might make sense - preventing people taking the battery out when it keeps going off. One of mine is the best part of 57' from the exhaust so need need for the higher trigger point thanks. Most (all?) CO alarms do not have user replaceable batteries. 10 minutes ago, Keeping Up said: There was one such (I forget which now) and I asked the manufacturer, they said that the "no boats" rating was because it wasn't sealed against being drenched by saltwater waves. He assured me unofficially that it would be fine for a narrowboat but of course they couldn't say so officially. I read that somewhere too. If the unit is OK for the vibrations if a caravan or motorhome, it's OK in the more benign conditions of a Narrowboat. I do hope that, should BSS include CO detectors in their check, they make the distinction between the damp conditions in seagoing boats and those found in a Narrowboat. 'Course, the BSS is designed to ensure we don't maim or kill other users of the waterways rather than ourselves so, unless there's an increase in the scope of BSS, quiet self-asphyxiation really ought to remain our choice. I don't personally recommend it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 Just now, Sea Dog said: One of mine is the best part of 57' from the exhaust so need need for the higher trigger point thanks. Most (all?) CO alarms do not have user replaceable batteries. I read that somewhere too. If the unit is OK for the vibrations if a caravan or motorhome, it's OK in the more benign conditions of a Narrowboat. I do hope that, should BSS include CO detectors in their check, they make the distinction between the damp conditions in seagoing boats and those found in a Narrowboat. 'Course, the BSS is designed to ensure we don't maim or kill other users of the waterways rather than ourselves so, unless there's an increase in the scope of BSS, quiet self-asphyxiation really ought to remain our choice. I don't personally recommend it! I take it you won't be going to mrsmellys indoor barbeque tomorrow then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewIC Posted March 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 I guess you'd have to read the standard itself to see how the testing regimes differ, but I'm not spending £122 to find out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac of Cygnet Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 7 hours ago, MartynG said: Interesting. I typed the same question as above ! Some seem to be rated for boats and some not . https://www.safelincs.co.uk/boat-camping-travel-caravan-carbon-monoxide-detectors/ You can set the filters on that page to specifically include boats, but that removes only one of the 11 listed. However, one of those left (First Alert CO-FA-9B) still doesn't mention boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Mac of Cygnet said: You can set the filters on that page to specifically include boats, but that removes only one of the 11 listed. However, one of those left (First Alert CO-FA-9B) still doesn't mention boats. I have sent safelincs an email and will report back if they respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewIC Posted March 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Mac of Cygnet said: You can set the filters on that page to specifically include boats, but that removes only one of the 11 listed. However, one of those left (First Alert CO-FA-9B) still doesn't mention boats. The image in my original post camme from the CO-FA-9B user manual! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Mac of Cygnet said: You can set the filters on that page to specifically include boats, but that removes only one of the 11 listed. However, one of those left (First Alert CO-FA-9B) still doesn't mention boats. Are you looking at the same page? Ideal for home and travel use, the FireAngel CO-9B carbon monoxide detector is suitable for wall mounting or free standing as a portable device. The FireAngel CO-9B has a 7 year lifespan and manufacturer's warranty period, and is supplied as standard with 2 x AA batteries to power the alarm. Its LED status indicators show when the detector is correctly powered as well as when it has entered alarm mode. Battery powered CO detector - AA alkaline batteries included CE marked and Kitemarked to BS EN 50291-1:2010+A1:2012 (domestic use) & BS EN 50291-2:2010 (camping/caravans/boats) Test/reset button feature Activates when CO level reaches 50ppm Enables users to carry out a practical sensor test 85dB audible alarm as well as LED status indicator 7 year lifespan and manufacturer's warranty Automatic self diagnostic function - checks its own sensor and battery Can be wall mounted or left free standing Certified for home, camping, caravan, motor home and boat use Supplied with fixings; 2 x screws and 2 x rawl plugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, TheBiscuits said: Are you looking at the same page? Ideal for home and travel use, the FireAngel CO-9B carbon monoxide detector is suitable for wall mounting or free standing as a portable device. The FireAngel CO-9B has a 7 year lifespan and manufacturer's warranty period, and is supplied as standard with 2 x AA batteries to power the alarm. Its LED status indicators show when the detector is correctly powered as well as when it has entered alarm mode. Battery powered CO detector - AA alkaline batteries included CE marked and Kitemarked to BS EN 50291-1:2010+A1:2012 (domestic use) & BS EN 50291-2:2010 (camping/caravans/boats) Test/reset button feature Activates when CO level reaches 50ppm Enables users to carry out a practical sensor test 85dB audible alarm as well as LED status indicator 7 year lifespan and manufacturer's warranty Automatic self diagnostic function - checks its own sensor and battery Can be wall mounted or left free standing Certified for home, camping, caravan, motor home and boat use Supplied with fixings; 2 x screws and 2 x rawl plugs there are two models with very similar references CO-9B and CO-FA-9B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, MartynG said: there are two models with very similar references CO-9B and CO-FA-9B I have just re-read the earlier post, and now understand There is an error on that website that lists the CO-FA-9B on the boat page, but it isn't rated for boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, TheBiscuits said: There is an error on that website that lists the CO-FA-9B on the boat page, but it isn't rated for boats. Does the 'FA' mean its approved for 'not-much' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: Does the 'FA' mean its approved for 'not-much' ? First Alert ? Very similar devices with almost the same reference and different brand names , 'Fire Angel' and 'First Alert' adds to the confusion - it seems also to have confused the retailer in the case of Safelincs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 18 hours ago, Keeping Up said: There was one such (I forget which now) and I asked the manufacturer, they said that the "no boats" rating was because it wasn't sealed against being drenched by saltwater waves. He assured me unofficially that it would be fine for a narrowboat but of course they couldn't say so officially. I was just going to make the same point about great dollops of water going down the hatch on a 'proper' boat. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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