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Richard10002

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  1. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    Not sure how that changes the thrust of what I said?
  2. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    Easy for you to say, but not something you need worry about. If the army were created, in whatever form, it would be sorted out by experts who have the expertise to do the job. The various wars we have been involved in over the years have been prosecuted by a number of different armed forces getting together to make it work... so rest assured it would work out OK. The military is not full of politicians....
  3. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    QED I guess!
  4. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    "Jockanese", "Johnny Foreigner", "dictatorship"..... You live in a different and long gone, world to most of us these days, a bit like the world's of those late night TV programmes that make us cringe, "It Was Alright In The Seventies", and similar.
  5. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    You've already agreed that any EU meddling has had no negative effect, so one could wonder why you let it worry you so much. 40 years of worry over nothing?
  6. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    Having experienced the current debacle, and having discovered that there are many more benefits to being in, than out, and more disadvantages to being out than in, I won't be voting out even if I get the chance. You have made it clear that there has been nothing that has affected you badly as a result of being in the EU, so you your desire to leave is based on some kind of principle, and not on it being tangibly better to be out than in. You have also agreed that things are likely to be worse financially for us when we leave, but that it doesn't matter to you because we will have no MEPS and we will have primacy... Lol
  7. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    and therein lies the rub. When voting to give the job of leaving to the Tory government, (who had a remainer Prime Minister and Chancellor at the time), nobody really thought about about what they were actually doing. Some thought they were going to get a no deal Brexit, some thought they were going to get a Brexit with the easiest Free Trade Deal in history, with an EU who needed us more than we need them. Some had no idea how it would work, but believed the lies about money and sunlit uplands, and laws and borders, that the Leave campaign spouted at every opportunity, (I agree that there were significant lies and deceit on the remain side as well). and so on. I’d guess that nobody who voted leave gave a moments thought to the fact that they were giving the job to a bunch of incompetent politicians, with agendas a long way from the national interest. I did, which was the reason I changed my decision from voting leave to voting remain.... Albion said that I must have a crystal ball, which nobody else has.... but it wasn’t rocket science!
  8. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    She could, at some stage during the negotiations, have said No! to the Eu and walked away on the basis of a no deal. At no point has she tested the limits of their need to agree a better deal with her. It seems to me that she has rolled over and had her tummy tickled at every stage. The resignations actually give her the chance to tell the EU that there is no deal to be done, and watch them come running on bended knee - but she won’t. Having said that, she may have got exactly what she was looking for, and be working towards offering a referendum as the only way forward. Given that Raab is they guy who, “did the deal”, and has now denounced it, suggests that Theresa May is pulling all the strings, and nobody else in government has any input or influence.
  9. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    Not consciously, and not with intent but, without a small majority voting for Leave, we would definitely not be where we are. It definitely wasn’t the votes of those who voted Remain that have resulted in this debacle - or are you going to find a way to suggest that it was? Your vote/s caused this whole thing, despite it being entirely predictable that the government and civil service would make a complete Horlicks of it. It was naive to think that the Brexit that anyone thought they were voting for, would bear any resemblance to the Brexit we are going to get.
  10. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    and the naivety of leavers re the end game of Brexit. It’s not going to be close to what even you were voting for. But it was your vote that has led us to where we are.
  11. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    1.3 million is a big number in its own right, which is why you us3 it, but it’s not actually very big, compared to the number of people who voted. You May like to think of it as such, but it isn’t. In addition, it would only have taken 660,000 to result in a Remain majority, not 1.3 million.... so a relatively small number gets even smaller Not as much as it will have when we leave the EU and become a vassal state
  12. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    Since when is a twelfth, or a twenty fifth, a half... you should take a look at your maths... unless you are trying to spread fake news, Trump like? I suppose it could go viral and the fundamentals of mathematics could change
  13. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    Why would there be a general election, and how would it achieve anything? A General Election is about so many more things than Brexit, such that it cannot give any guidance as to the people’s will regarding Brexit. For example, at the last election, Brexiteers spun it such that 85% of people voted for Brexit, mainly because the could have voted Lib Dem, and didn’t. Patently untrue - but it didn’t stop them, (again!!). In addition, if Labour won, what makes anyone think they would be/do much different, and/or better than, the Tories - they would merely put themselves in the firing line for failure. Probably something they would rather avoid, as it’s much easier to criticise when you have no responsibility.
  14. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    If you voted Leave, this is what you voted for... and those of us that voted Remain are going to have to live with it...... whatever it is
  15. Richard10002

    Brexit 2017 - 2018

    Even if the deal now being bandied about is agreed, and is the basis upon which we leave, I would guess that most people, whichever way they voted, will have no idea of much of the content, nor what it’s effect will be. I have no idea what’s in the deal, despite everything else that has ghappened over the past 2 years being bandied about all over the place.
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