smiler Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 This has probably been asked before - I did a search and couldn`t find anything. I quite like the sound of an original 2-pot NB "put-put" engine - but also like the modern layout - engine tucked under the deck at the back. Are there any modern (ie compact, reliable and economic) diesel engines available, suitable for a NB that sound like an old fashioned engine? Or am I searching for the Holy Grail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Electric drive and a sound chip might do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 16/10/2017 at 22:25, smiler said: This has probably been asked before - I did a search and couldn`t find anything. I quite like the sound of an original 2-pot NB "put-put" engine - but also like the modern layout - engine tucked under the deck at the back. Are there any modern (ie compact, reliable and economic) diesel engines available, suitable for a NB that sound like an old fashioned engine? Or am I searching for the Holy Grail? Holy grail?? Why on earth would you want a vintage engine without the engine room that goes with it? Is this your first boat by any chance...? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiler Posted October 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Holy grail?? Why on earth would you want a vintage engine without the engine room that goes with it? Is this your first boat by any chance...? I`m not asking about a vintage engine. I`m asking about a modern engine with a more traditional sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 16/10/2017 at 23:38, smiler said: I`m not asking about a vintage engine. I`m asking about a modern engine with a more traditional sound. So where does 'holy grail' come into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiler Posted October 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: So where does 'holy grail' come into it? I mean - am I looking for something that probably doesn`t exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boat&Bikes Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, smiler said: I mean - am I looking for something that probably doesn`t exist? I think there is little demand for loud exhaust sound so no modern engines are built this way. I get what your after but don't think it exists. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiler Posted October 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, ianali said: I think there is little demand for loud exhaust sound so no modern engines are built this way. I get what your after but don't think it exists. Ian. Thanks for the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 16/10/2017 at 23:43, smiler said: I mean - am I looking for something that probably doesn`t exist? A prime feature of a holy grail is a lot of people seeking it. The Rigas Dizelis is a small twin cylinder engine that sounds bigger than it is, and could possibly be shoved out of the way and unloved, under the deckboards. Have a look through this thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dor Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Or how about a Beta JD3? A bit big for a narrowboat perhaps, but would sit happily under a semi-trad deck and is fairly slow revving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Is this where I mention the "new" EU/RCD noise and pollution rules and testing requirements for new boat engines? If its to be a legal new boat then probably in the Holy Grail category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X Alan W Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 8 hours ago, ianali said: I think there is little demand for loud exhaust sound so no modern engines are built this way. I get what your after but don't think it exists. Ian. I don't think the exhaust note was the deal breaker I got the impression it was maybe 2 pot & low 700 to 1000rpm Max only one that comes to mind is a BD3 & that"s 3pot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 There are plenty of old Dumpers about with 2-pot Listers that make a 'put-put-put-put' sound, problem is they undoubtably do not meet the noise / emission standards so it would be illegal to fit them into a new boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boat&Bikes Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Tony Brooks said: Is this where I mention the "new" EU/RCD noise and pollution rules and testing requirements for new boat engines? If its to be a legal new boat then probably in the Holy Grail category. Not read the new laws, will get around to it when long winter nights set in. Are they different to the laws covering cars/Lorry engines ? I know motorcycles can be louder than cars so I'd guess boats can be as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 7 hours ago, dor said: Or how about a Beta JD3? A bit big for a narrowboat perhaps, but would sit happily under a semi-trad deck and is fairly slow revving. Beta JD 3 ,good Engine.MtB had one but it was Far too reliable so he sold it! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dor Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 1 minute ago, cereal tiller said: Beta JD 3 ,good Engine.MtB had one but it was Far too reliable so he sold it! It should have read "BD3", but it seems even Beta refer to it as a "JD3" in some of their stuff. Not sure now if they still supply it (emissions?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 56 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: There are plenty of old Dumpers about with 2-pot Listers that make a 'put-put-put-put' sound, problem is they undoubtably do not meet the noise / emission standards so it would be illegal to fit them into a new boat. And yet, there are still new boats being built that are having ancient engines fitted in them I'm biased of course, being a purveyor of 2 pot Listers Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, RLWP said: And yet, there are still new boats being built that are having ancient engines fitted in them I'm biased of course, being a purveyor of 2 pot Listers Richard If I remember correctly, that is all in compliance with the rules if the boat is a reproduction / copy of an 'elderly' boat and the boat design and engine are of comparable vintage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: If I remember correctly, that is all in compliance with the rules if the boat is a reproduction / copy of an 'elderly' boat and the boat design and engine are of comparable vintage. There are ways of doing this even into a clonecraft. And before you ask, I can't remember the details, I heard it from a boatbuilder. Richard Edited October 17, 2017 by RLWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Exclusions 4.—(1) The design and construction requirements set out in Part A of Schedule 1 do not apply to the following watercraft— ........................................ (e) original historical watercraft and individual replicas thereof designed before 1950 built predominantly with the original materials and labelled as such by the manufacturer; (2) The exhaust emission requirements set out in Part B of Schedule 1 do not apply to the following— (a) ................................ (b) original historical propulsion engines and individual replicas thereof, which are based on a pre-1950 design, not produced in series and fitted on watercraft referred to in paragraph 4(1)(e) or paragraph 4(1)(h) above. But, as you say 'where there is a will, there is a way' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 From memory, it hinges around who is the constructor (the boat builder or the buyer) and the RCD. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGoat Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 12 hours ago, smiler said: This has probably been asked before - I did a search and couldn`t find anything. I quite like the sound of an original 2-pot NB "put-put" engine - but also like the modern layout - engine tucked under the deck at the back. Are there any modern (ie compact, reliable and economic) diesel engines available, suitable for a NB that sound like an old fashioned engine? Or am I searching for the Holy Grail? Other than a JD3 - which Beta no longer list, I can't think of any slow revving engine of modern design available. However a solution may be to install a heat exchanger / fresh water cooled modern engine with a waterlock exhaust. These make a gentle 'splash, splash' noise as the cooling water is released. Pleasant and relaxing for the steerer - but very quiet, so that might not meet your objectives.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, OldGoat said: Other than a JD3 - which Beta no longer list, I can't think of any slow revving engine of modern design available. So you've never met one of those Rigas Dizelas engines than? Simon Wain has one in OBERON and it sounds like a JP2 but is the size of a shoebox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: So you've never met one of those Rigas Dizelas engines than? Simon Wain has one in OBERON and it sounds like a JP2 but is the size of a shoebox. Where would you buy one of them then? Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmr Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 hours ago, dor said: It should have read "BD3", but it seems even Beta refer to it as a "JD3" in some of their stuff. Not sure now if they still supply it (emissions?). The BD3 was a beta marinisation of an old 3 pot Ford. Beta discontinued it 'cus it did not meet new emissions regs. They replaced it with JD3, a marinisation of a John Deere 3 pot (nicer looking than the BD3 but not quite as slow revving). JD3 now also discontinued due to even newer emissions regs. Tony does keep pointing out that its difficult to get a DI to rev slowly without making a bit of smoke. ...............Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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