dreadnought Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 hi all, i`m probably going to get slated for this but here goes,is it ok to take a length of cable and put a three pin plug on both ends then plug one end into my inverter and the other end into the nearest socket that way all the sockets become live on the boat,apart from the obvious electrocution trap what do you think.many thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, dreadnought said: hi all, i`m probably going to get slated for this but here goes,is it ok to take a length of cable and put a three pin plug on both ends then plug one end into my inverter and the other end into the nearest socket that way all the sockets become live on the boat,apart from the obvious electrocution trap what do you think.many thanks, No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machpoint005 Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Why not put a socket on one end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Socket to im folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said: Why not put a socket on one end? What about the consumer unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said: Why not put a socket on one end? 8 minutes ago, rusty69 said: that way all the sockets become live on the boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Wrong for so many reasons.....but hey it shows Darwin in action..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I have three pin plug on one end that goes into the inverter the other end connects to the cable I use when pluging into shore power this in turn goes through the consumer unit, there for the electrics are protected, the safer option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 1 hour ago, dreadnought said: hi all, i`m probably going to get slated for this but here goes,is it ok to take a length of cable and put a three pin plug on both ends then plug one end into my inverter and the other end into the nearest socket that way all the sockets become live on the boat,apart from the obvious electrocution trap what do you think.many thanks, No sir. Never make male pins "live" ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mross Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 How will you feel when you kill a friend or relative? It's so obviously dangerous and just plain lazy, moronic even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I think its stupid for the sake of an hour or so. Feed from shoreline terminating in a 13 amp socket. Feed from inverter terminating in a 13 amp socket next to the shoreline one. fly lead from boat's mains system terminating in a 13 amp plug. That's it, plug into which ever you want with little danger of electrocution. However you need to get your RCD & MCB in the right place and for maximum protection may need 2. Probably easier to fit s changer over switch. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stegra Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Dylan said: No sir. Never make male pins "live" ever. I'm surprised that some cheap grid-tie inverters do make the male pins live. The idea is to plug them into a socket and send the meter into reverse. Not even sure that that works. They apparently only work for grid-tie so presumably sense the mains before making the pins live. Wouldn't think of using one that works way myself. http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/1000W-Grid-Tie-Inverter-230V-MPPT-Pure-Sine-Wave-Inverter-50Hz-60Hz-Send-From-UK-/371278811308?var=&hash=item5671f110ac%3Am%3AmhNbZ3g9DMYJMaNfdpGXC5g&_trkparms=pageci%3Ad842a0a2-7ad4-11e7-b981-74dbd1a01749%7Cparentrq%3Ab8ccebd115d0a9c9768ddf8bffffb8c2%7Ciid%3A1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, stegra said: I'm surprised that some cheap grid-tie inverters do make the male pins live. The idea is to plug them into a socket and send the meter into reverse. Not even sure that that works. They apparently only work for grid-tie so presumably sense the mains before making the pins live. Wouldn't think of using one that works way myself. http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/1000W-Grid-Tie-Inverter-230V-MPPT-Pure-Sine-Wave-Inverter-50Hz-60Hz-Send-From-UK-/371278811308?var=&hash=item5671f110ac%3Am%3AmhNbZ3g9DMYJMaNfdpGXC5g&_trkparms=pageci%3Ad842a0a2-7ad4-11e7-b981-74dbd1a01749%7Cparentrq%3Ab8ccebd115d0a9c9768ddf8bffffb8c2%7Ciid%3A1 I suppose if some sort of sensing device is used, then it could be deemed to be safe since the exposed pins shouldn't be able to become live, but the lead could be used on some other appliance? edit: actually forget that bit, the lead is OK. Doesn't sit comfortably with me, somehow though. Edited August 6, 2017 by Dylan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stegra Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Dylan said: I suppose if some sort of sensing device is used, then it could be deemed to be safe since the exposed pins shouldn't be able to become live, but the lead could be used on some other appliance? Doesn't sit comfortably with me, somehow. The lead looks like a standard kettle lead so the inverter has the male pins. I agree that it probably senses the mains power. I hope that it cuts out if the plug is removed whilst in operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanC Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) Ok, stupid question......Why would you want to. Isn't the whole purpose of an inverter to supply 240v to the sockets to power mains voltage appliances. I mean, why have an inverter if its not wired up to the sockets. Am I misunderstanding something.? Edited August 6, 2017 by AllanC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stegra Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, AllanC said: Ok, stupid question......Why would you want to. Isn't the whole purpose of an inverter to supply 240v to the sockets to power mains voltage appliances. I mean, why have an inverter if its not wired up to the sockets. Am I misunderstanding something.? The inverter would supply the sockets by putting power into the circuit through one socket. The other sockets would be fed through the cabling between them. Still a silly thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanC Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 So this could be a work around for occasions when you haven't got access to a 240v hook up. This presumably would bypass the fuseboard. If so, seems well dodgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreadnought Posted August 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 2 hours ago, mross said: How will you feel when you kill a friend or relative? It's so obviously dangerous and just plain lazy, moronic even. steady geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 1 hour ago, AllanC said: So this could be a work around for occasions when you haven't got access to a 240v hook up. This presumably would bypass the fuseboard. If so, seems well dodgy. It would also make the shore power inlet live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmr Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 To answer your question, yes, it will work fine. but.............. You will not go to heaven You might go to the other place sooner than planned. Your friends and family might also meet their maker sooner rather than later....but it will work. ..............Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar Gypsy Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 So you won't be slated but you might be electrocuted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, Scholar Gypsy said: So you won't be slated but you might be electrocuted Not 'slated' but possibly 'marble-slabbed' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machpoint005 Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 17 hours ago, Machpoint005 said: Why not put a socket on one end? I had in mind an extension lead from the integral inverter socket to the desired tool (plugged into the flying socket). What is wrong with that? For the avoidance of doubt, I wasn't going to connect to any other sockets, because as others have said, that's ridiculously dangerous. Which was my point, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Machpoint005 said: I had in mind an extension lead from the integral inverter socket to the desired tool (plugged into the flying socket). What is wrong with that? Well, it will bypass the RCD which isn't a great idea. More to the point though, it doesn't answer the OP's question about making "all the sockets on the boat live". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 I would have thought the easiest way, as has already been said, would be to make a lead up with a 13 amp plug on the inverter end and a suitable plug/socket to fit the shoreline input on the other. That way at least all the boat's sockets should be protected by the RCD/MCB. However not so sure about the earthing implications of that with some inverters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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