Navigation Closure for an event

[Dave-Shrop]

CRT sent this Notice of closure of the Navigation for "THE BIG FEAST 2015 EVENT" Notice Alert

Trent & Mersey Canal

Starts At: Lock 38 Ridgway's Lock

Ends At: Lock 38 Ridgway's Lock

Up Stream Winding Hole: Etruria Customer facilities

Down Stream Winding Hole: Above bridge 113a Glebe Street bridge

Thursday 27 August 2015 18:00 until Saturday 29 August 2015 22:00

Type: Navigation Closure

 

Can they just close the navigation for an event like this, it's bad enough when the tow path is closed to mooring for an angling/cycle/walk events but to actually close the navigation I think is not acceptable.

[steven wilkinson]

http://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=78498

[mayalld]

CRT sent this Notice of closure of the Navigation for "THE BIG FEAST 2015 EVENT" Notice Alert

Trent & Mersey Canal

Starts At: Lock 38 Ridgway's Lock

Ends At: Lock 38 Ridgway's Lock

Up Stream Winding Hole: Etruria Customer facilities

Down Stream Winding Hole: Above bridge 113a Glebe Street bridge

Thursday 27 August 2015 18:00 until Saturday 29 August 2015 22:00

Type: Navigation Closure

 

Can they just close the navigation for an event like this, it's bad enough when the tow path is closed to mooring for an angling/cycle/walk events but to actually close the navigation I think is not acceptable.

Yes they can

 

And it 18:00 - 22:00 nightly for 3 nights.

 

Given where the lock is, this is causing minimal disruption to boaters

[Tim Lewis]

Yes they can

 

And it 18:00 - 22:00 nightly for 3 nights.

 

Given where the lock is, this is causing minimal disruption to boaters

 

That's not what the stoppage notice says.

 

Tim

[jenlyn]

 

Edited for thinking Dave had misread the post.

Edited August 23, 2015 by jenlyn

[ditchcrawler]

Notice Alert

Trent & Mersey Canal

Starts At: Lock 38 Ridgway's Lock

Ends At: Lock 38 Ridgway's Lock

Up Stream Winding Hole: Etruria Customer facilities

Down Stream Winding Hole: Above bridge 113a Glebe street bridge

Friday 28 August 2015 18:00 until Saturday 29 August 2015 22:00

Type: Navigation Closure

Reason: Information

 

Original message:

 

A Contractor will be carrying out the installation of a temporary pedestrian bridge across Lock 38 (Ridgway lock), Shelton new road, Stoke-on-Trent for an event.

• The offside area of Lock 38 will have restricted access for 2 days to allow vehicular admittance for the lifting and removal of the temporary footbridge and storage of materials.
• Lock 38 will be closed between 6pm-10pm on the evenings of 28th & 29th August due to the event taking place and for the installation of the temporary bridge each evening.
• The towpath between Lock 38 and Gas Works Bridge 116 will be restricted between 6-10 pm on the 28th & 29th August due to the event and members of the public on the towpath.

The event is on both evenings and is open to the public. Why not make this part of your visit to the area.

 

You can view this notice and its map online here:

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notice/4197/lock-38-trent-and-mersey-canal

You can find all notices at the url below:

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notices

[magpie patrick]

Dave Mayall is right, read the link

 

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notice/4195/lock-38-trent-and-mersey-canal

 

Edited - Ditchcrawler beat me to it

Edited August 23, 2015 by magpie patrick

[jenlyn]

Dave Mayall is right, read the link

 

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notice/4195/lock-38-trent-and-mersey-canal

 

Edited - Ditchcrawler beat me to it

Yep, he certainly is. Damned misleading with "until" inserted though.

[Mac of Cygnet]

This has already been the subject of two other threads. The original stoppage notice now has details of the event in case boaters want to attend.

[Chewbacka]

CRT sent this Notice of closure of the Navigation for "THE BIG FEAST 2015 EVENT"

 

Notice Alert

Trent & Mersey CanalStarts At: Lock 38 Ridgway's LockEnds At: Lock 38 Ridgway's LockUp Stream Winding Hole: Etruria Customer facilitiesDown Stream Winding Hole: Above bridge 113a Glebe Street bridge

Thursday 27 August 2015 18:00 until Saturday 29 August 2015 22:00

Type: Navigation Closure

 

Can they just close the navigation for an event like this, it's bad enough when the tow path is closed to mooring for an angling/cycle/walk events but to actually close the navigation I think is not acceptable.

They shut motorways and railways for bridge repairs, so why not canals? It may be annoying for you, but how else could they carry out the work?

[MtB]

They shut motorways and railways for bridge repairs, so why not canals? It may be annoying for you, but how else could they carry out the work?

 

 

Where does it say this closure is for bridge repairs, or other maintenance of any sort?

 

What work are they carrying out? The notice says it's being closed for a social event.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Mike the Boilerman

[Chewbacka]

Sorry I did not read the notice properly, it is a temporary people bridge they are putting in for the social event, so poor comparison.

[cotswoldsman]

Anyway to answer the OP I don't see the problem. Having been part of a team organising events people put a lot of work into some of these events for no personal gain and no agenda to inconviance boaters. The process involved is quite strenuous give these people some slack.

Edited August 24, 2015 by cotswoldsman

[Peter X]

The full notice linked to by ditchcrawler makes it clear that the closure of navigation is only for two evenings, which shouldn't cause too much disruption to anyone's plans; hypothetically if a canal were closed to navigation for as long as several days just for a social event I would see that as wrong.

 

Oddly the notice says:

The event is on both evenings and is open to the public. Why not make this part of your visit to the area.

but gives no other clue as to what this mystery event is! Suspicious, maybe the police should turn up and check all is well?

 

However a typing error suggests time travel is involved:

From Date: 28th August 2015 at 18:00

To Date: 18th August 2015 at 22:00 inclusive

Was anyone there on the evening of the 18th to see people appearing from the future? A bit spooky after sunset, but that would have been worth visiting Stoke for.

[Dave-Shrop]

"some of these events for no personal gain" This event is arranged by people making a lot of money, the sound engineer is on a 90K contract.

 

The original notice was not correct, the event is only 28th/29th but the lock is closed from 27th to 29th with bridge over. the event each day does not finish until 22.30, so on the last day the 29th the brige will not be removed until 2 hours after the finish.

[ditchcrawler]

"some of these events for no personal gain" This event is arranged by people making a lot of money, the sound engineer is on a 90K contract.

 

The original notice was not correct, the event is only 28th/29th but the lock is closed from 27th to 29th with bridge over. the event each day does not finish until 22.30, so on the last day the 29th the brige will not be removed until 2 hours after the finish.

I dont think this falls into that field see http://www.appetitestoke.co.uk/whatson/deblozay

 

 

Lock 38, Trent and Mersey Canal

Notice Details

From Date:

27th August 2015 at 18:00

To Date:

29th August 2015 at 22:00 inclusive

Type:

Navigation Closure

Reason:

Information

Notice updates:

20/08/2015 @ 11:11

Below is the link to the organisers website should you wish to participate in the full ticketed event.

http://www.appetitestoke.co.uk/whatson/deblozay

 

Description:

A Contractor will be carrying out the installation of a temporary pedestrian bridge across Lock 38, Shelton New Road, Stoke-on-Trent for an event.

• The offside area of Lock 38 will have restricted access for 3 days to allow vehicular admittance for the lifting and removal of the temporary footbridge and storage of materials.
• Lock 38 will be closed between 6pm-10pm on the evenings of 27th, 28th & 29th August due to the event taking place and for the installation of the temporary bridge each evening.
• The towpath between Lock 38 and Gas Works Bridge 116 will be restricted between 6-10 pm on the 28th & 29th August due to the event and members of the public on the towpath.

The event is on Friday 28th & Saturday 29th and is open to the public. Why not make his part of your visit to the area.

[mayalld]

"some of these events for no personal gain" This event is arranged by people making a lot of money, the sound engineer is on a 90K contract.

 

The original notice was not correct, the event is only 28th/29th but the lock is closed from 27th to 29th with bridge over. the event each day does not finish until 22.30, so on the last day the 29th the brige will not be removed until 2 hours after the finish.

 

Actually, the original notice WAS correct.

 

I know it was correct, because I first saw the blessed thing whilst passing through this lock.

 

The Heading of the notice tells you the start and end times of the whole period of the restrictions. The body of the notice explains the times during which access will be restricted.

 

That is how these notices are constructed. The heading tells you the Location, the type of restriction, and the time span. Sufficient information for you to decide whether the notice is of interest. If it is, you read the whole notice.

 

Now, I don't actually subscribe to the view that was expressed that because a lot of people have put a lot of effort into organising something on a voluntary basis, it makes it OK for them to disrupt.

 

However, the disruption that will be caused is minimal, and therefore more tolerable.

 

I can only assume that the need for a temporary bridge is a safety issue, and that it was determined that without it, there might be a risk of people falling into the lock.

 

Do we really want the H&S scrutiny that would follow?

[ditchcrawler]

A bit more info on the event http://www.appetitestoke.co.uk/whatson/bf15

[twbm]

They shut motorways and railways for bridge repairs, so why not canals? It may be annoying for you, but how else could they carry out the work?

 

And social events. London Marathon, Sky Ride, local half marathons etc etc etc.

[Dave-Shrop]

"However, the disruption that will be caused is minimal"

 

So to stop Boats on Moorings on the Trent & Mercy + others from spending the Bank holiday weekend on the Caldon Canal is minimal, they will be unable to to return to their moorings late afternoon/evening on Bank Holiday Monday. Most Bank Holidays if the weather is fine there are long queues at these locks. This is anonther case of CRT not caring about Boaters. People in Stoke On Trent cross back and forewards across the the lock or exsisting bridges all the time.

[Rob-M]

Bank Holiday Monday is the 31st, isn't the restriction only until 22:00 on the 29th giving plenty of time to boat through on Monday...?

[mayalld]

"However, the disruption that will be caused is minimal"

 

So to stop Boats on Moorings on the Trent & Mercy + others from spending the Bank holiday weekend on the Caldon Canal is minimal, they will be unable to to return to their moorings late afternoon/evening on Bank Holiday Monday. Most Bank Holidays if the weather is fine there are long queues at these locks. This is anonther case of CRT not caring about Boaters. People in Stoke On Trent cross back and forewards across the the lock or exsisting bridges all the time.

 

Do many people pass through this particular lock after 6pm?

 

It is a serious question. Please can you give me an example of a journey that you think is going to be made difficult?

 

Is anybody REALLY going to be coming up to Etruria, with the intention of making for somewhere that would be sensible to moor that late in the day?

 

Likewise, setting off from Etruria for Trentham.

[Laurence Hogg]

CRT sent this Notice of closure of the Navigation for "THE BIG FEAST 2015 EVENT" Notice Alert

Trent & Mersey Canal

Starts At: Lock 38 Ridgway's Lock

Ends At: Lock 38 Ridgway's Lock

Up Stream Winding Hole: Etruria Customer facilities

Down Stream Winding Hole: Above bridge 113a Glebe Street bridge

Thursday 27 August 2015 18:00 until Saturday 29 August 2015 22:00

Type: Navigation Closure

 

Can they just close the navigation for an event like this, it's bad enough when the tow path is closed to mooring for an angling/cycle/walk events but to actually close the navigation I think is not acceptable.

 

 

I totally agree and its about time local boaters made their voice heard to CRT. This isn't even a canal or waterway related event!!

 

http://www.appetitestoke.co.uk/whatson/bf15

 

Its about time CRT started to respect their users and not pander to every Tom Dick and Harry who needs something they don't have to provide.

[Rob-M]

 

I totally agree and its about time local boaters made their voice heard to CRT. This isn't even a canal or waterway related event!!

 

http://www.appetitestoke.co.uk/whatson/bf15

 

Its about time CRT started to respect their users and not pander to every Tom Dick and Harry who needs something they don't have to provide.

How do you define CRT users then...? Surely anybody crossing a lock or walking down the towpath is a CRT user. You don't have to be on the water as a boat owner to enjoy the canals, like yourself not everybody owns a boat.

[Graham Davis]

"However, the disruption that will be caused is minimal"

 

So to stop Boats on Moorings on the Trent & Mercy + others from spending the Bank holiday weekend on the Caldon Canal is minimal, they will be unable to to return to their moorings late afternoon/evening on Bank Holiday Monday. Most Bank Holidays if the weather is fine there are long queues at these locks. This is anonther case of CRT not caring about Boaters. People in Stoke On Trent cross back and forewards across the the lock or exsisting bridges all the time.

 

How many locks do you do after 6:00pm?

How many hire boaters bother after 6:00pm?

And I suggest you check your dates; BH Monday is NOT Included!