Historic Boats for sale online

[ditchcrawler]

[MtB]

On 09/03/2024 at 12:38, MtB said:

 

 

Bit of a jolt to the eyes, isn't it! 

 

 

 

Discussion of this boat from 9/3/24.

 

 

[Admiral]

Achilles

 

[David Mack]

1 hour ago, Admiral said:

Achilles

 

This is just the stern end of the butty Achilles, now going backwards. Achilles was cut by Roger Farrington in about 2015 amid much concern from historic boat enthusiasts that yet another of the few remaining full length butties had been lost.

I see this displays the name of the original boat. At the time it was cut I thought it would be more appropriate for the front end, which is most of the original boat, to carry the name Achilles, and the back end should be named Achilles Heel.

[alan_fincher]

4 minutes ago, David Mack said:

.............and the back end should be named Achilles Heel.

 

Boom! boom!

 

From memory I think not a lot of Achilles ended up in this boat.

[magnetman]

Was  it the butty which used to be on the offside moorings above Cassio Bridge lock? 

[IanM]

43 minutes ago, magnetman said:

Was  it the butty which used to be on the offside moorings above Cassio Bridge lock? 

Achilles used to belong to Birmingham and Midland and was moored in Gas Street basin. 

[Derek R.]

12 hours ago, magnetman said:

Was  it the butty which used to be on the offside moorings above Cassio Bridge lock? 

I have a vague memory that was called RAVEN, full length IIRC. Doubtful that was its original name, and that was in the mid 1980's.

[magnetman]

3 hours ago, Derek R. said:

I have a vague memory that was called RAVEN, full length IIRC. Doubtful that was its original name, and that was in the mid 1980's.

It was called Raven and it (correction) was cut possibly by Roger Farrington at Braun St On or maybe someone else. 

Not sure if it is this one though. 

Edited April 13 by magnetman

[IanM]

28 minutes ago, magnetman said:

It was called Raven and it was cut by Roger Farrington at Braun St On. Not sure if it is this one though. 

It’s not. As I mentioned earlier, Achilles was a butty owned by Birmingham & Midland in Gas Street. It went from them to Roger at Braunston who then cut it in two. 
 

Raven (the name given to it by Willow Wren) was another butty and had a full length cabin fitted but I forget its original name and was moored outside Roger’s yard at one point but I’m pretty sure it never got cut in two by him as I saw it still intact somewhere else afterwards. 
 

Edited to add: Raven was originally the GUCCC butty Hydrus. 
 

Edited April 13 by IanM
Picture added.

[alan_fincher]

1 hour ago, IanM said:

Raven (the name given to it by Willow Wren) was another butty and had a full length cabin fitted but I forget its original name and was moored outside Roger’s yard at one point but I’m pretty sure it never got cut in two by him as I saw it still intact somewhere else afterwards. 
 

Edited to add: Raven was originally the GUCCC butty Hydrus. 

 

I'm not sure this is correct - I don't think HYDRUS was ever a Willow Wren boat.
I think it was a BW boat that was sold directly by them into private ownership, then converted.

[magnetman]

1 hour ago, IanM said:

It’s not. As I mentioned earlier, Achilles was a butty owned by Birmingham & Midland in Gas Street. It went from them to Roger at Braunston who then cut it in two. 
 

Raven (the name given to it by Willow Wren) was another butty and had a full length cabin fitted but I forget its original name and was moored outside Roger’s yard at one point but I’m pretty sure it never got cut in two by him as I saw it still intact somewhere else afterwards. 
 

Edited to add: Raven was originally the GUCCC butty Hydrus. 
 

I have corrected my post. 

 

I think Hydrus is in two parts with the front half made into a motor with a new riveted stern and a wooden back cabin for authenticity. 

 

It was mentioned on this thread a while ago as being for sale. 

[Stroudwater1]

3 hours ago, magnetman said:

I have corrected my post. 

 

I think Hydrus is in two parts with the front half made into a motor with a new riveted stern and a wooden back cabin for authenticity. 

 

It was mentioned on this thread a while ago as being for sale. 

Is this Hydrus/ part of her? pictured at the arm on the Stockton flight , Warwick flyboats last November. Perhaps it’s Hydra, didn’t get my phone out fast enough to catch her name. Nice looking boat. 

 

Edited April 13 by Stroudwater1

[Paul H]

4 hours ago, alan_fincher said:

 

I'm not sure this is correct - I don't think HYDRUS was ever a Willow Wren boat.
I think it was a BW boat that was sold directly by them into private ownership, then converted.

Indeed.  It was sold to L B Faulkner of Leighton Buzzard by GUCCC (when it was renamed Raven) and then became one of the few boats to be bought back by BW for operation in the north west.  It has now been rebuilt extremely well and extremely expensively into a full length converted motor boat and is at Brinklow.  I don’t think the butty stub end survived.

 

Paul

 

4 hours ago, alan_fincher said:

[James Owen]

3 hours ago, Stroudwater1 said:

Is this Hydrus/ part of her? pictured at the arm on the Stockton flight , Warwick flyboats last November. Perhaps it’s Hydra, didn’t get my phone out fast enough to catch her name. Nice looking boat. 

 

Hydra

[Derek R.]

Thanks Gents, IanM's image of RAVEN outside the Braunston shed is how I recalled it when used as a live-aboard above Cassio.

Would I be right in thinking it had an engine in what was the back cabin?

[Francis Herne]

Another Yarwoods butty with big steel 'undercloth' cabin:

LMS station boat 56 'Naples'.

https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/yarwoods-northwich-butty-for-sale/759510

Edited April 14 by Francis Herne

[zenataomm]

Lordy!  Is it really so much hard work to understand the history? It's not a Northwich Butty, Small or otherwise.

[DShK]

6 hours ago, Francis Herne said:

Another Yarwoods butty with big steel 'undercloth' cabin:

LMS station boat 56 'Naples'.

https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/yarwoods-northwich-butty-for-sale/759510

They really did just rip out all the original knees and put in box steel in their places, eh 🫤

[David Mack]

And new top 'plank' both sides welded just above the top guard, so no rivets left along the gunwale angle. Fitted out back cabin, but no pictures. And engineless, yet photographed on the River Nene without a motor or tow line in evidence?

[Francis Herne]

3 hours ago, DShK said:

They really did just rip out all the original knees and put in box steel in their places, eh

Looks like it. Not exactly sympathetic...

 

HNBC page claims she was motorized (as Kidsgrove), maybe stripped out during the latest rebuild or surely they'd have mentioned it!

 

6 hours ago, zenataomm said:

Lordy!  Is it really so much hard work to understand the history? It's not a Northwich Butty, Small or otherwise.

(being naive as usual) Is the argument that a day boat isn't a butty? In later working life and as she is now, with a cabin on, describing her as a butty seems reasonable to me.

Built at Northwich seems correct?

Obviously "Small" is nonsense for a non-GU boat.

Edited April 15 by Francis Herne

[magnetman]

On 13/04/2024 at 17:10, Derek R. said:

Thanks Gents, IanM's image of RAVEN outside the Braunston shed is how I recalled it when used as a live-aboard above Cassio.

Would I be right in thinking it had an engine in what was the back cabin?

 

I'm pretty sure it was motorised as it had anti ventilation plates welded on the sides at the waterline. 

[alan_fincher]

7 hours ago, Francis Herne said:

(being naive as usual) Is the argument that a day boat isn't a butty? In later working life and as she is now, with a cabin on, describing her as a butty seems reasonable to me.

Built at Northwich seems correct?

Obviously "Small" is nonsense for a non-GU boat.

 

That sounds about right to me....

[Derek R.]

3 hours ago, magnetman said:

 

I'm pretty sure it was motorised as it had anti ventilation plates welded on the sides at the waterline. 

I take it you mean anti-cavitation plates. 😉

[ditchcrawler]

2 minutes ago, Derek R. said:

I take it you mean anti-cavitation plates. 😉

I don't think he does