RCD and RCA

[MtB]

42 minutes ago, Ronaldo47 said:

She had actually been a passenger on a high speed train at the time. 

 

Not driving it eh? 

 

Or so she claims!! 

[Tony Brooks]

7 hours ago, Ronaldo47 said:

There was a brief item  in the papers last year about a woman who had had her car insurance cancelled because she had been detected as driving at more than 100 mph. She had actually been a passenger on a high speed train at the time. 

 

I doubt the underlying technology in cars and stand-alone satnavs are very different because both will be built down to a price, and I find that when driving along a motorway perfectly legally at 60mph plus I get warned about exceeding the speed limit because a road on the other side of the motorway fence has a change of speed limit. Put the same technology in a mobile phone and I can see this easily happening because the insurance companies software is also built down to a price and does not have the capability of detecting the mode of transport.

[David Mack]

3 hours ago, Tony Brooks said:

Put the same technology in a mobile phone and I can see this easily happening because the insurance companies software is also built down to a price and does not have the capability of detecting the mode of transport.

Not really down to price. How could a phone know whether you are in a car or a train? The best it can do is use GPS information to determine whether you are on a road or a railway line, but as you point out that's not always 100% accurate.

And how does it cope with occasions when you are a passenger in a road vehicle being driven by somebody else? You shouldn't be penalised for someone else's mistakes or more aggressive driving style.

 

Edited August 7, 2024 by David Mack

[Torblimey]

Having recently stepped down from my role as a licensed UK transport manager over seeing a 30 strong fleet of hgv's it's interesting to read some of the thoughts on GPS etc.

Every single truck in my fleet had full telemetrics and cameras fitted both internally and externally, only I knew the full extent of info obtained due to gdpr regulations (which I had to agree too).

 

The info given was so precise I created a monthly  competition for best and worst driving results ( engine management, speeding, fuel economy, harsh braking etc) although it was found the speeding side of things could be completely inaccurate.

Map data was often out of date and the telemetry would send me a warning of a speeding truck yet when I logged into the live cameras it was well within the posted speed limits.

Data is not always as accurate as we think it is.

[Tony Brooks]

34 minutes ago, David Mack said:

Not really down to price. How could a phone know whether you are in a car or a train? The best it can do is use GPS information to determine whether you are on a road or a railway line, but as you point out that's not always 100% accurate.

And how does it cope with occasions when you are a passenger in a road vehicle being driven by somebody else? You shouldn't be penalised for someone else's mistakes or more aggressive driving style.

 

 

Sorry because I think it is down to price. In the case posted, the insurance company had the information that the phone was travelling at 100mph, but before that they should have known it was stationary or very slow moving within or close to a railway station. Later they knew it had travelled slowly into another railway station and moved at walking pace. In all probability, they also knew that it had stopped moving a few times within the vicinity or within a railway station, so they could have used all that information to conclude the phone was on a train. The fact that they did not was almost certainly down to the cost of implementing a suitable algorithm.

 

On your second point, I agree, but if the report is correct, and I am not sure about that, there would seem there was no mechanism to easily correct the mistake, again probably down to cost of implementing it.

[Hudds Lad]

4 hours ago, Tony Brooks said:

and I find that when driving along a motorway perfectly legally at 60mph plus I get warned about exceeding the speed limit because a road on the other side of the motorway fence has a change of speed limit.

J's car recognises speed limit signs and sticks the relevant speed on the dash, which can be annoying if it misses the next one if blocked by a vehicle (motorway works changing from say 50 back to national).

We once passed an HGV that had a 120 in a red circle on the back, the car then decided the posted limit was 120mph, i declined to take advantage  

[Ronaldo47]

I understand that on-car cameras are also prone to responding to the lower speed limit signs on slip roads.  

 

 

[ditchcrawler]

12 hours ago, Ronaldo47 said:

There was a brief item  in the papers last year about a woman who had had her car insurance cancelled because she had been detected as driving at more than 100 mph. She had actually been a passenger on a high speed train at the time. 

As I said, you have to deactivate it when a passenger, you have 72 hours to do that after the journey  or before you start the journey.

[dmr]

1 hour ago, Hudds Lad said:

J's car recognises speed limit signs and sticks the relevant speed on the dash, which can be annoying if it misses the next one if blocked by a vehicle (motorway works changing from say 50 back to national).

We once passed an HGV that had a 120 in a red circle on the back, the car then decided the posted limit was 120mph, i declined to take advantage  

 

Ours has an option to automatically drive at the speed limit and did indeed start to accelerate when it read that sign 😀.

[ditchcrawler]

2 hours ago, David Mack said:

Not really down to price. How could a phone know whether you are in a car or a train? The best it can do is use GPS information to determine whether you are on a road or a railway line, but as you point out that's not always 100% accurate.

And how does it cope with occasions when you are a passenger in a road vehicle being driven by somebody else? You shouldn't be penalised for someone else's mistakes or more aggressive driving style.

 

As i said on mine you can turn off recording or if you fail to do that you have 72 hours to confirm or deny you were driving 

[cuthound]

3 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

As i said on mine you can turn off recording or if you fail to do that you have 72 hours to confirm or deny you were driving 

 

So can't you just claim you weren't driving on any occasion you accidentally or otherwise exceed the speed limit?

[ditchcrawler]

56 minutes ago, cuthound said:

 

So can't you just claim you weren't driving on any occasion you accidentally or otherwise exceed the speed limit?

I may occasionally break the speed limit, I think most drivers do occasionally but I don't do 100 MPH

[Peanut]

All modern cars have an accelerometer, which in the event of an incident will record the forces involved, allowing the accident investigator to determine the speed and direction of the vehicle, and any breaking made. Usually done in the event of a fatality.

[Galoka]

On 07/08/2024 at 11:16, David Mack said:

Not really down to price. How could a phone know whether you are in a car or a train? The best it can do is use GPS information to determine whether you are on a road or a railway line, but as you point out that's not always 100% accurate.

And how does it cope with occasions when you are a passenger in a road vehicle being driven by somebody else? You shouldn't be penalised for someone else's mistakes or more aggressive driving style.

 

Pretty sure there is enough difference in the way they move and GPS location data for software on a phone to be able to uses the phones accelerometers to be able to have a good stab at this.

My Applewatch will offer to automatically start tracking workout if it thinks I am doing a certain activity, it's pretty reliable at spotting I am walking or running, but I gets confused by cruising on the boat and suggests I might be cycling (at 3mph? 🙂 )

 

[MtB]

45 minutes ago, Galoka said:

My Applewatch will offer to automatically start tracking workout if it thinks I am doing a certain activity, it's pretty reliable at spotting I am walking or running, but I gets confused by cruising on the boat and suggests I might be cycling (at 3mph? 🙂 )

 

When out bellringing in a church tower, my FitBit used to decide I was swimming and congratulate me on exercising!

 

 

 

[ditchcrawler]

On 04/08/2024 at 16:00, ditchcrawler said:

This is Tomtom 

Since 2006 TomTom has collected anonymous GPS measurements from its users. This unique community input is combined with knowledge harvested from local experts and it is combined with traditional sources including paper maps, field surveys, aerial and satellite imagery and mobile mapping vans.

This just came up on my Microsoft Start page this morning  Your car is spying on you – but police won’t say if they’re using the data (msn.com)

[Paul C]

3 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

This just came up on my Microsoft Start page this morning  Your car is spying on you – but police won’t say if they’re using the data (msn.com)

Sloppy article. It goes from saying "your car may be spying on you" to "your car is spying on you" title, without any justification. Trust me, if a car IS generating 25GB of data every hour, its not storing all of that; and its definitely not transmitting anything like the tin-foil hat wearers would have you believe. Note that you'd need the Berla iVe hardware kit to be able to interrogate the relevant modules on the car, ie you'd need to have good access to the car. Its not being transmitted. And that the police only use it in serious cases such as murder, robbery, etc not eg speeding offences.

[ditchcrawler]

Not the UK but we are not normally far behind Major car brand under fire for 'selling driving data' to motor insurance companies who hike premiums (msn.com)

[IanD]

13 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

Not the UK but we are not normally far behind Major car brand under fire for 'selling driving data' to motor insurance companies who hike premiums (msn.com)

If GM had done this in the EU -- or the UK which has similar data protection laws -- they would have been absolutely hammered in the courts, because what they did would be totally illegal under the GDPR laws.

 

However in the Land of the Free rather than the socialist EU such behaviour is treated rather more leniently, because companies making money takes priority over consumer rights...

Edited August 17, 2024 by IanD