Alan de Enfield Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 13 hours ago, JoshS said: Will definitely buy a proven brand whatever we choose, we're not loaded but understand the value of buying decent kit! ?? From Narrowboat world (16th June) Boat deaths prompt carbon monoxide warning PUBLISHED: WEDNESDAY, 16 JUNE 2021 THE deaths of two boaters from carbon monoxide poisoning on their boat on the Ouse in York has prompted more warnings. The Marine Accident Investigation Branch's (MAIB) report told that post-mortem examinations found the primary cause of death for both men was carbon monoxide poisoning with their boat not fitted with a carbon monoxide detector, Alan Tilbury reports. Faulty heater This has resulted in a safety warning being issued after the two men died on the boat as a result of carbon monoxide poisoning due to a faulty heater. Ronald Vincent Holmes, (60), and Stephen Jewitt, (63), died after returning to the vessel moored in York on the 3rd December 2019 after socialising with friends. Concerns After concerns that they had not returned home a search was made of the boat and their bodies then discovered. It was ascertained that a diesel-fuelled cabin heater had been switched on during a trip that was faulty, causing the deaths. Alcohol and caffeine were also found in their bodies. It being likely the effects of alcohol made the two unaware of the early signs of the carbon monoxide. Captain Andrew Moll, Chief Inspector of Marine Accidents, urged all boat owners to ensure they fitted an alarm and tested it regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 14 hours ago, JoshS said: I also thought I could maybe install a small on-demand gas water heater, there is a good location for this on the wall between the galley and bathroom, so near all the hot water taps, and the gas pipe to the Alde passes through the same spot. But would it be possible to plumb this is in without losing the calorifier as a hot water source? If you want to install an instant gas water heater in addition to your calorifier the simplest was is a manual L-port valve. Hot water feeds from the calorifier and gas water heater go to each side of the valve so the hot water going out to the hot water side of the plumbing (to taps, shower, etc) goes out of the bottom port in this picture. This means you only ever have one source of hot water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix_V Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 We had problems like yours, couldn't heat the calorifier and radiator at the far end of the boat, even after endless bleeding and different combinations of radiators switched in and out of circuit, in the end we installed a supplementary pump in the circuit at the far end and it has sorted the problem. One like this https://solarproject.co.uk/page2.html cheaper are available on ebay or amazon, worth a try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix_V Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 or you could even try solar water heating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 I would look at the system you have very carefully to make sure there is not any restrictor device, (part closed valve) to ensure the hot water goes round the rads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Passed a boat the other day, not sure where though, that had a healthy array of solar panels in addition to a relatively small panel that had tubes of some sort with water pipes connected. I’m guessing that was a system that heats the water. Seen it on houses but not a boat before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 30 minutes ago, Nightwatch said: Passed a boat the other day, not sure where though, that had a healthy array of solar panels in addition to a relatively small panel that had tubes of some sort with water pipes connected. I’m guessing that was a system that heats the water. Seen it on houses but not a boat before. I saw a couple like that down the K&A vacuum tube units 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkH2159 Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 19 hours ago, Tracy D'arth said: Once again we come back to a solid fuel burner with a back boiler feeding a gravity heating system being the best for a live aboard boat Except in summer when a solid fuel fire is the last thing you will need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkH2159 Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Solar Dump system will be the best way to go about it in summer. Many Youtube videos on how to do it. Here is one that uses existing 240v immersion element. Personally I am going for a 12v Immersion heater element that I can run directly off the switched load of my Solar MPPT Controller to heat water using excess solar capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen-in-Wellies Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Phoenix_V said: or you could even try solar water heating! Obligatory link to my experiences with solar water heating on board. Now in its 14th season of use on my boat. Jen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshS Posted June 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jen-in-Wellies said: Obligatory link to my experiences with solar water heating on board. Now in its 14th season of use on my boat. Jen That's really interesting cheers! Not sure we've got enough space on our roof but it's cool to see different options! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUMPY Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 We are having solar water heating installed at the house next month, thanks to a £5k government grant it's only costing me £2.5k ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opener Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 OK I'm puzzled. We've got an upright Alde which is actually plumbed to provide hot water and space heating via a run of low profile fin-rads. If I could be bothered I'd isolate the heating circuit but I can get washing / washing up hot water in maybe 30 mins running Alde set to 3 or 4 and room stat permanently set high. Stoopid question - can you see the water level in the Alde header tank? Put your finger on the top of the pump when it is running - you should feel the shaft turning (and hear it running!!). How hot does the body of the Alde get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerc Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 my system has 2 stop valves one for the radiators and one for the calorifier. i also fitted a second calorifier so now have enough hot water for 8 x 5 minute showers each morning or for 2 showers for 3 days. the Alde only heats one. 10-20 minutes for enough for 2 showers. and i fitted a heat exchanger (£25 on ebay) so the waste engine heat heats the radiators. it takes 2-4 hours to heat the 65 ft boat from 10C to 26C and added a heater from a scrap van to dry clothes etc. To avoid overloading the water pump i added a second pump into the primary loop that i turn on once the engine has heated to 70+C. saves a lot of gas when the engine is running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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