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I have put together the following list of steel boats used on the L&LC, which we intend to put onto the new L&LC Society website. Can anyone help with the present locations of any of them? I have located some of them, but I keep telling people I am a historian, so don't really know what is happening on the cut today! Most of the locations given below are out of date, as I first drew up this list about ten years ago.

 

                             Reg.No.                     Date                       Builder and notes

                             Canal Transport Ltd

Mersey                            1573                     1932                     Yarwoods 419, 18hp Widdop, cost of hull £606, on GUC

Lune                            1603                     1933                      Yarwoods 436, now converted

Calder                            1604                     1934                      Harkers, crane boat on River Thames

Weaver                            1605                     1934                      Pimblotts, yard no 572, 24hp Widdop, fitted with hatches 1938 then deconverted, at Worsley

Dee                            1607                     1934                     Pimblotts, yard no 573, 24hp Widdop, converted, at Worsley

Irwell                            1608                     1934                      Yarwoods 438, fitted with hatches 1938?, converted

Ribble                            1609                     1934                      Yarwoods 437, unconverted, at Burscough

Ouse                            1610                     1934                      Harkers, became crane boat, on Thames.

Aire                            1632                     1934                      Yarwoods 469, proposed to have hatches 1938, converted, on River Shannon, Ireland

Nidd                            1633                     1934                      Yarwoods 470, converted, in France

Humber                            1645                     1935                      Pimblotts, yard no 577, proposed to have hatches 1938, converted, at Thorne

Derwent                            1646                     1935                      Pimblotts, yard no 578. fitted with hatches 1938, London?

Eden                            1649                     1936                      Pimblotts, yard no 586, bow cut off, converted

Esk                            1650                     1936                      Pimblotts, yard no 587, scrapped

Wharfe                            1651                     1936                      Pimblotts, yard no 588, converted

Severn                            1652                     1936                      Pimblotts, yard no 589, unconverted, based at Leigh

Tweed                            1659                     1936                      Pimblotts, yard no 593, became crane boat, scrapped

Avon                            1711                     1947                      Yarwoods 794, renamed Clewyd, scrapped

Wye                            1712                     1947                      Yarwoods 795, converted, at Leeds

Kennet                            1714                     1947                      Yarwoods 796, unconverted, based at Greenberfield, L&LCS

Atherton                            1725                     1950                      Yarwoods 852, 34hp Widdop

Bacup                            1726                     1950                      Yarwoods 853, 34hp Widdop, unconverted, at National Waterways Museum, Ellesmere Port

Clitheroe                            1727                     1951                      Yarwoods 854, 34hp Widdop

Darwen                            1744                     1952                      Harland & Wolfe, Woolwich, at Manchester

Everton                            1746                     1952                      Harland & Wolfe, Woolwich, Widdop replaced by 3cyl Armstrong in 1958, at Holme Lock on River Trent

Farnworth                            1751                     1953                      Harland & Wolfe, Woolwich, in London

 

                             Ainscoughs Ltd (boats named after company’s shire horses)

Ambush                                                1933             built Yarwoods 433, O.N. 162393, 72ft motor, 24hp Widdop, to Hargreaves? for Wigan Power Station coal traffic, now with Derek Bent. (motor Ironclad)

Attractive                                                1933             built Yarwoods 434, O.N. 162390, 72ft dumb boat, to Hargreaves? for Wigan Power Station coal traffic. (motor Burscough) Damaged 7/8 May 1940 in Langton Dock.

Black Prince                                                1934             built Yarwoods 456, O.N. 162408, 72ft motor, 24hp Widdop, renamed Burscough 2 in 1947, sold to Monk’s in 1966, resold and now in Ireland.

Bodicea                                                1948             72ft motor, built Yarwoods 834, O.N. 182452, Russel Newbury motor, converted to tug by Rea’s.

Burscough                                                1933             built Yarwoods 435, O.N. 162392, 72ft dumb boat, destroyed by bombing in Liverpool 1941

Claymore                                                1949             built Yarwoods 835, 72ft dumb boat, O.N.182478, to Albert Blundell, now Manchester?

Ironclad                                                1933             built Yarwoods 432, O.N. 162388, 72ft motor, 24hp Widdop, to Albert Blundell, renamed Cadellis, to London.

Parbold                                                1936             built Yarwoods 588, 72ft horse boat, to Albert Blundell, renamed Norman. To London, Slough Arm GUC.

Viktoria                                                1934             built Yarwoods 457, O.N. 162407, 72ft dumb boat, 72ft dumb boat, to Hargreaves? for Wigan Power Station coal traffic, used by Roger Lorenz for boatbuilding workshop at Barton, now with Derek Bent.

 

                             Appleby’s (BI Transport Ltd)

A36                            1580                     1932             O.N. 162376, built Yarwoods 426, to Henry Croasdale c1953, to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, now called Isis, Castlefield

A37                            1581                     1932             O.N. 162377, built Yarwoods 427, to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, 

A38                            1582                     1932             O.N. 162378, built Yarwoods 428, to Albert Blundell circa 1953 and renamed Shirley, now in London

A39                            1583                     1932             O.N. 162379, built Yarwoods 429, to Henry Croasdale c1953, to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, renamed Peace as trip boat, now in Sheffield Basin.

A40                           1584                     1933             O.N. 162380, built Yarwoods 430, to Henry Croasdale c1953, to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, 

A41                           1599                     1933             O.N. 162395, built Yarwoods 441, to Henry Croasdale c1953, then to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, subsequently sold and renamed Medlock

A42                            1600                     1933             O.N. 162396, built Yarwoods 442, to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, 

 

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Mersey & Wye have been moored at Ring O' Bells near Burscough for a while now, Ribble is usually at Bedford Basin in Leigh.

 

Ambush & Viktoria are both still at Crooke.

 

Ironclad/Cadellis was being called Ironclad again last time I knew it was for sale a few years ago, still in London.

 

Edit to add: sold in 2017.

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A39 was at 4allmarine in Laleham. Thames in July. For sale I think.  

 

I think "ATTRACTIVE" -might- be the blue mystery boat at Uxbridge offside near Packet Boat marina. It's certainly had a lot of hull sides damage previously with patching here and there so likely to have been unloaded with a grab. 

 

IRONCLAD is most probably still in Springfield marina Lee navigation as it was for sale there with a mooring a few years ago. 

 

 

"MEDLOCK" is somewhere around Nottingham/Trent area. 

 

 

 

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 And

  

Ouse      unconverted used as a platform for architects projects near Dalston London.   Has had a complete new hull when working as crane barge. 

Clitheroe       Wood Hall Heward contractors GU south unconverted    

Darwen          Wood Hall Heward converted                    

Everton        Wood Hall Heward   unconverted            

Farnworth    houseboat Rickmansworth                        

 

                             

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5 hours ago, magnetman said:

A39 was at 4allmarine in Laleham. Thames in July. For sale I think.  

 

I think "ATTRACTIVE" -might- be the blue mystery boat at Uxbridge offside near Packet Boat marina. It's certainly had a lot of hull sides damage previously with patching here and there so likely to have been unloaded with a grab. 

 

IRONCLAD is most probably still in Springfield marina Lee navigation as it was for sale there with a mooring a few years ago. 

 

 

"MEDLOCK" is somewhere around Nottingham/Trent area. 

 

 

 

Would be nice if we could get a picture off attractive. Parbold is down south somewhere 

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5 hours ago, magnetman said:

 

Ouse      unconverted used as a platform for architects projects near Dalston London.   Has had a complete new hull when working as crane barge. 

 

                             

erm... is it still the same boat then?

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You've already had several of these, but...

Me, Di and our ex-partner Tim Wood between us own(ed) 8 of them. There are a couple more on the southern GU, and two more we know of most recently in France.

MERSEY: Owned by John Liley as “Arthur” and cruised France and Netherlands in ’70s. Passed variously to  Michael Streat (Blue Line Boats, Braunston), Bill Fisher (Newbury Boat Co. K&A), Richard Branson (who moved it to London where he had a barge St Bride used as a recording studio), to Ms. Russell on that mooring, to T&D. Murrell 1988 in extremely poor condition and renamed Mersey by us. We sold her 1993 and she was then converted as a houseboat. Last known engine was BMC 2.5 with Paragon gearbox

RIBBLE: Owned by BWB, converted at a Thames shipyard as a passenger boat and leased to Jenny Wren Cruises on Regents Canal as “Fair Lady”. Bought by us 1983, deconverted, renamed Ribble and used in our canal maintenance and civil engineering work. Sold 1994 to her last working skipper and taken by road to Burscough.

HUMBER: Brought down by sea and lived on at Harefield, lower G.U. by our ex partner Tim Wood

DERWENT: Owned by Tim’s canal maintenance and civil engineering company Wood Hall & Heward. Purchased by WHH on the Weaver from CRT. Presently in extremely poor condition at Harefield

CLITHEROE: Was booking office for a trip boat at Chorley, Lancs and bought in 2000 by WHH. Rebottomed and HA3 installed 2002, and now part of their operational fleet

EVERTON: Was converted as a tanker for carriage of sewage in the Netherlands (in the 90s?). Now reverted to open topped hull and owned by WHH  as part of their operational fleet

FARNWORTH: Named “Rita” and rebottomed at Bingley Marine Services; bought by T&D. Murrell 1976 for conversion as 73 seat passengerboat in Uxbridge and returned to her given name. Sold as a business 1989 to J. Haywood. For past ±17 years has a rather top-heavy conversion at Hampton Hall Farm, Rickmansworth, lower G.U.

IRONCLAD: Originally on UK ship register 162388, but this lapsed when in Albert Blundell’s ownership and he renamed her Cadellis as partial amalgam of his children’s names. We bought her from Jim Evans (3 Fellows Carrying) in 1979 for use in canal maintenance and civil engineering work. The name Ironclad was still visible carved in the bow strake, so I relettered that. Sold by us 1989 and converted as houseboat at Springfield Marina on the R. Lea. Albion Diesel engine

A38 (SHIRLEY) is engineless and has a steel conversion with rolled top corners like an inverted chine - on Cowley Peachey mooring near Uxbridge. 

NORMAN (ex PARBOLD) is believed to still be on the Slough Cut.

DARWEN and A40 we last saw cruising in France some 4 or 5 years ago now.

 

Tam

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As a small note on the builds, Tim pointed out to me that Yarwoods and Harland & Wolfe craft have stern decks fabricated in three plates with the 'manhole' giving access positioned centrally, whereas Pimblotts used two plates so the manhole is offset to one side.

 

Tam

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Thanks for all the information, which I have added to the list. I suspect that an outline list will be incorporated into the L&LCS new website, perhaps with a link to a photo of each boat with a more complete history.

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On 19/08/2020 at 13:28, J R ALSOP said:

Not Darwen, its Humber owned by Tim and Lindy Wood

Also Derwent is at WH& Heward

Thanks for that Roger. 

 

I did mean Derwent but I thought that was the converted one. 

 

I think I saw Darwen at BJ Woods isleworth last year. Painted red. Could have been another boat it did not have a name visible. 

23 hours ago, Barge Venus said:

Would be nice if we could get a picture off attractive. Parbold is down south somewhere 

Parbold is on the canalside moorings at Packet Boat marina near Uxbridge. First boat after turning left out of the Slough arm. 

 

ETA I did take a photo of the boat I think is "Attractive" and I always liked it a lot due to the usual curved cabin shape. 

 

Can't find the photo but this is the location of the vessel

 

Near Cowley, Uxbridge

https://goo.gl/maps/pF7EQwHr4qFPtwmv8

 

 

The (rudimentary) Google measuring tool does suggest it is a Long Boat which helps verify it. 

 

It looks long as well. No BW number on it or name so tis quite awkward to ID it but there are numerous repairs to the hull sides. And I'm sure it is an L&L boat.

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On 26/08/2020 at 07:56, billybobbooth said:

wye is / was around the humber (trent at one point) last seen around Doncaster area.

It is lived on by a bloke (I won't go into details) all ill say is he's shify. Its currently black hull with blue top, at one point it was in London many years ago

Sorry for the delayed response to this topic.  My company owned/operated/managed a number of L&L short and long boats between 1972 and 1982.  They carried around 10,000 tonnes of cargo on the L&L during that time but also worked other waterways.  My first boat was 'Wye', purchased from Wilf Monk in late 1972 or early 73 as the traffic to Trafford Power Station was coming to an end.  First load was coal from Doncaster to Skipton in March 1973, followed by steel from Leeds to Liverpool (Appley Bridge actually due to a breach) with 'Irwell'  in April, and concrete pipes in September.  Wye also carried spun  iron pipes from Nottingham to Esholt in August 1974, then started moving grain for BOCM across the Pennines, also between Liverpool and Manchester, Whitley Bridge and Selby from November 1974.  Wye also operated on the Thurmaston to Syston traffic from 1976 until wide boats were banned, then on various jobs including coal from Castleford to Skipton in June 1980, and latterly aggregate from the Trent wharves to Shipley - the last load being in May 1982.   Wye also operated as a camping boat in the first year or so supplementing those of Northern Counties Carriers Ltd.  Wye had a wheelhouse and raised coamings with hatches added in the later years of operation and won the 'Ritchie' award for the best turned out working boat at the IWA National Rally in Leeds in 1981.  Wye was sold in 1982 for pleasure use and remained in Shipley into 1983 but I'm not sure of subsequent ownership.

The next acquisitions were less successful - long boat 'Burscough 2' was the last boat to be sold by Wilf Monk, and was refurbished in Wigan and looked really smart with hatch covers etc. to go on the BOCM traffic, Liverpool to Manchester.  First load was 45 tonnes of maize with captain Joe Walker (ex BW/Willow Wren/Bridgewater) in charge on 3rd April 1975 but a 'blade full'  in Wigan proved a major problem, so the lock keeper suggested dropping the boat in the short pound between the Poolstock locks.  Unfortunately although successful in doing so a small leak was created and on arrival in Manchester the Ship Canal company found out about it, put the boat on dock, and promptly banned all Apollo craft from the canal!  Oddly enough they didn't ban the other short boats so they kept operating.   At around the same time we bought 'Norman' (ex 'Parbold') from Albert Blundell intending to run with Burscough 2 but obviously this was not now possible with the MSC ruling.  Burscough 2 was sold and taken to Ireland while Norman/Parbold ended up on the Grand Union.

My final acquisition was 'Water Prince' which had been built as 'Wharfe'. For a period from 1956 (I think) it had operated between Nottingham and Leicester but 1958 was converted by British Waterways into a passenger boat and re-named, based mainly in and around Leeds.  In 1964 the boat was sold to Bosuns Line (York), and re-engined to work on the Ouse.  In 1976 she was sold to Apollo Canal Carriers Ltd and converted into a luxury restaurant/passenger boat, licensed for 78 passengers (but 50 covers for dining). The passenger boat business (along with Water Prince) was sold in August 1998 and some years later closed down, with Water Prince sold into private ownership, converted for residential use near Keighley, and re-named Wharfe.

Of the other short boats which we were involved with  'Irwell' was bought by Northern Counties Carriers Ltd around 1973 and worked with 'Wye' and for us on occasions, including (I think) some camping trips (also with Geoff Wheat's 'Lune'). From May 1978 Irwell was fitted with a tank and carried waste from Esholt to Knostrop, then Knostrop to Goole until 2nd April 1979.  Irwell's last work for us was in May 1981 - moving dredgings for the South Yorkshire enlargement scheme.  Irwell continued to find employment, especially on contracting jobs, but was sold into private ownership in, I think, 1992 and is currently in Castlefield, Manchester.

Derek Bent bought 'Weaver' from Monks around 1973 and fitted an engine. Weaver then carried grain for BOCM across the Pennines, and  Liverpool to Manchester, as well as other cargoes.  The last loaded commercial trips across the L&L were probably by Weaver in 1978 - 40 tonnes of grain from Liverpool to Selby in August, and in September 30 tonnes of fish meal from Selby to Manchester.  On that trip she met Irwell near Apperley Bridge - probably the last time two loaded boats passed on the L&L?  Weaver was sold into private ownership and is at Worsley I think , the last job for us being bridge repairs on the L&L in May 1980.

'Everton' was operated by British Waterways until 1964 or 1965 then hired to Seymour Roseblade, mainly carrying grain from Manchester to Kelloggs.  After this she was sold (along with 'Farnworth') to the Bootle Barge Company to carry rubbish from the docks to the company's wharf in the Stanley Lock flight.  She was re-sold around 1976 to Pearson & Barnett who brought her to Shipley for a while (where she did a load from Castleford to Shipley in April) then was re-bottomed and leased to us, converted to a tanker with wheelhouse, and carried effluent from Esholt to Knostrop (56 tonne loads) from June to October then Knostrop to Goole (64 tonnes) from 31st October to 12th December 1979.   It was decided that effluent need no longer be taken out of Esholt so Everton was de converted, a new Lister HR3 engine installed, and sailed across the Channel for a lucrative job on a small waterway that didn't materialise as it was not possible to get 'the necessary papers'.  Others will know the rest of Everton's story!

I mentioned 'Lune' which was bought by Geoff Wheat from BW (I think)  in 1975 and used for camping trips and also retail coal.  Geoff sold Lune in 1990.

I hope that is all of interest.

Kind regards

David L

 

 

 

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On 18/08/2020 at 14:32, Pluto said:

I have put together the following list of steel boats used on the L&LC, which we intend to put onto the new L&LC Society website. Can anyone help with the present locations of any of them? I have located some of them, but I keep telling people I am a historian, so don't really know what is happening on the cut today! Most of the locations given below are out of date, as I first drew up this list about ten years ago.

 

                             Reg.No.                     Date                       Builder and notes

                             Canal Transport Ltd

Mersey                            1573                     1932                     Yarwoods 419, 18hp Widdop, cost of hull £606, on GUC

Lune                            1603                     1933                      Yarwoods 436, now converted

Calder                            1604                     1934                      Harkers, crane boat on River Thames

Weaver                            1605                     1934                      Pimblotts, yard no 572, 24hp Widdop, fitted with hatches 1938 then deconverted, at Worsley

Dee                            1607                     1934                     Pimblotts, yard no 573, 24hp Widdop, converted, at Worsley

Irwell                            1608                     1934                      Yarwoods 438, fitted with hatches 1938?, converted

Ribble                            1609                     1934                      Yarwoods 437, unconverted, at Burscough

Ouse                            1610                     1934                      Harkers, became crane boat, on Thames.

Aire                            1632                     1934                      Yarwoods 469, proposed to have hatches 1938, converted, on River Shannon, Ireland

Nidd                            1633                     1934                      Yarwoods 470, converted, in France

Humber                            1645                     1935                      Pimblotts, yard no 577, proposed to have hatches 1938, converted, at Thorne

Derwent                            1646                     1935                      Pimblotts, yard no 578. fitted with hatches 1938, London?

Eden                            1649                     1936                      Pimblotts, yard no 586, bow cut off, converted

Esk                            1650                     1936                      Pimblotts, yard no 587, scrapped

Wharfe                            1651                     1936                      Pimblotts, yard no 588, converted

Severn                            1652                     1936                      Pimblotts, yard no 589, unconverted, based at Leigh

Tweed                            1659                     1936                      Pimblotts, yard no 593, became crane boat, scrapped

Avon                            1711                     1947                      Yarwoods 794, renamed Clewyd, scrapped

Wye                            1712                     1947                      Yarwoods 795, converted, at Leeds

Kennet                            1714                     1947                      Yarwoods 796, unconverted, based at Greenberfield, L&LCS

Atherton                            1725                     1950                      Yarwoods 852, 34hp Widdop

Bacup                            1726                     1950                      Yarwoods 853, 34hp Widdop, unconverted, at National Waterways Museum, Ellesmere Port

Clitheroe                            1727                     1951                      Yarwoods 854, 34hp Widdop

Darwen                            1744                     1952                      Harland & Wolfe, Woolwich, at Manchester

Everton                            1746                     1952                      Harland & Wolfe, Woolwich, Widdop replaced by 3cyl Armstrong in 1958, at Holme Lock on River Trent

Farnworth                            1751                     1953                      Harland & Wolfe, Woolwich, in London

 

                             Ainscoughs Ltd (boats named after company’s shire horses)

Ambush                                                1933             built Yarwoods 433, O.N. 162393, 72ft motor, 24hp Widdop, to Hargreaves? for Wigan Power Station coal traffic, now with Derek Bent. (motor Ironclad)

Attractive                                                1933             built Yarwoods 434, O.N. 162390, 72ft dumb boat, to Hargreaves? for Wigan Power Station coal traffic. (motor Burscough) Damaged 7/8 May 1940 in Langton Dock.

Black Prince                                                1934             built Yarwoods 456, O.N. 162408, 72ft motor, 24hp Widdop, renamed Burscough 2 in 1947, sold to Monk’s in 1966, resold and now in Ireland.

Bodicea                                                1948             72ft motor, built Yarwoods 834, O.N. 182452, Russel Newbury motor, converted to tug by Rea’s.

Burscough                                                1933             built Yarwoods 435, O.N. 162392, 72ft dumb boat, destroyed by bombing in Liverpool 1941

Claymore                                                1949             built Yarwoods 835, 72ft dumb boat, O.N.182478, to Albert Blundell, now Manchester?

Ironclad                                                1933             built Yarwoods 432, O.N. 162388, 72ft motor, 24hp Widdop, to Albert Blundell, renamed Cadellis, to London.

Parbold                                                1936             built Yarwoods 588, 72ft horse boat, to Albert Blundell, renamed Norman. To London, Slough Arm GUC.

Viktoria                                                1934             built Yarwoods 457, O.N. 162407, 72ft dumb boat, 72ft dumb boat, to Hargreaves? for Wigan Power Station coal traffic, used by Roger Lorenz for boatbuilding workshop at Barton, now with Derek Bent.

 

                             Appleby’s (BI Transport Ltd)

A36                            1580                     1932             O.N. 162376, built Yarwoods 426, to Henry Croasdale c1953, to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, now called Isis, Castlefield

A37                            1581                     1932             O.N. 162377, built Yarwoods 427, to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, 

A38                            1582                     1932             O.N. 162378, built Yarwoods 428, to Albert Blundell circa 1953 and renamed Shirley, now in London

A39                            1583                     1932             O.N. 162379, built Yarwoods 429, to Henry Croasdale c1953, to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, renamed Peace as trip boat, now in Sheffield Basin.

A40                           1584                     1933             O.N. 162380, built Yarwoods 430, to Henry Croasdale c1953, to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, 

A41                           1599                     1933             O.N. 162395, built Yarwoods 441, to Henry Croasdale c1953, then to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, subsequently sold and renamed Medlock

A42                            1600                     1933             O.N. 162396, built Yarwoods 442, to Hargreaves for use at Wigan Power Station, 

 

Calder was scraped in the 80’s got pictures of that and atherton on the bank at Wigan being cut up 

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18 hours ago, Barge Venus said:

Calder was scraped in the 80’s got pictures of that and atherton on the bank at Wigan being cut up 

Thanks. Re Calder, I must have got Calder and Ouse mixed up, and it is Ouse on the Thames. You may be interested in this photo, which shows Canal Transport's Venus (built 1930, and subsequently Dean Waddington's Rosemary) when used for training women volunteer boatwomen in 1945.

Venus.jpg

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On 28/06/2021 at 09:41, Pluto said:

Thanks. Re Calder, I must have got Calder and Ouse mixed up, and it is Ouse on the Thames. You may be interested in this photo, which shows Canal Transport's Venus (built 1930, and subsequently Dean Waddington's Rosemary) when used for training women volunteer boatwomen in 1945.

Venus.jpg

Ouse is on the Regents section of the GU at Dalston. 

 

It was a crane barge on the Thames with the Riverworks fleet until a few years ago when someone offered good money and now (or at least last year when I last saw it) it is a platform barge moored outside an architect's office in trendy East London. 

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