Heartland Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 Thank you Fittie, As stated there were craft used in the Cement Run, from Stockton, it is possible that the Board roundel was used on those craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 But I don’t believe the roundel logo featuring the word Board ever appeared as a transfer on the boats. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 You might very well be right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 7 hours ago, Heartland said: As stated there were craft used in the Cement Run, from Stockton, it is possible that the Board roundel was used on those craft. BANSTEAD and TOW were the last pair that British Waterways Board operated on the cement between the Kayes Arm and Sampson Road. This photograph from the mid 1960's shows there was no roundel on BANSTEAD as it passes the Black Bouy / Black Boy near Knowle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 I have recently added these to my collection of canal junk - one is a cap badge and the other a lapel badge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham_Robinson Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Have you the cap to go with the badge? I think you'll look very fetching wearing that ensemble on the back of the Otley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 10 hours ago, Graham_Robinson said: Have you the cap to go with the badge? I think you'll look very fetching wearing that ensemble on the back of the Otley I was thinking more of a slinky sailor suit with a drop top and a particularly high knee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 I like the storage of the bath on the roof. It explains the current theme of elsans, logs, old bikes , scrap generators, old batteries all over the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Williams Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 'Minnow' in British Transport Waterways livery: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 From the CRT Archive: http://collections.canalrivertrust.org.uk/bw192.3.2.2.19.19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Williams Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 I think the 'British Transport Waterways' is the winner for a working boat. Anyone used it recently ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRP Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 If that's narrow boats sorted out, does anyone know of any colour pictures of Leeds & Liverpool short boats after nationalisation? There is the Bacup at Ellesmere Port, which has an elaborate livery; but the black and white pictures of short boats, such as this one of Ribble loading machinery at Church, don't seem to have an elaborate paint job at all. . I think this photo belongs to CRT Archive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) This book has some colour photo's of Leeds & Liverpool Boats: By "Pluto" of this parish. Edited July 17, 2019 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) This is probably the best colour photo (by John Gavan) showing BW livery on a short boat. By this time Severn was working on bank maintenance, but had not been repainted. There are very few colour photos of L&LC boats, even though traditional painting continued at boatyards until around 1960. The steel boats always had much less decoration than the wooden ones. I was certainly fortunate to met Sam Yates, who did the painting at Whitebirk, so that the tradition could be recorded in some detail. Edited to say that I can't recall seeing photos of two identical schemes for Canal Transport or BW boats. Edited July 17, 2019 by Pluto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRP Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 So by the time the instruction made its way north, it had become,"All the boats have to be dark blue,now. Oh, and there has to be some yellow lining". Makes a traditional BW job on Ribble hardly worth the bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 The steel boats always had much less decoration than the wooden ones. L&LC dockyards were geared towards maintaining wooden boats, and would have had one boatbuilder who could also undertake the traditional paintwork. The steel boats were usually maintained at Wigan, where a new dockyard and maintenance yard was built in the early 1950s. Paintwork would have come pretty low down in priorities at the new yard. The privately-owned boats employed on the wigan Power Station traffic were painted by a local signwriter, and did not have the proper traditional decoration, just a cheap interpretation. Tarleton and Whitebirk were the last yards where traditional painting was done properly, though I am not sure of who was employed at Bank Hall in Liverpool by Parkes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRP Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Pluto said: The steel boats always had much less decoration than the wooden ones. L&LC dockyards were geared towards maintaining wooden boats, and would have had one boatbuilder who could also undertake the traditional paintwork. The steel boats were usually maintained at Wigan, where a new dockyard and maintenance yard was built in the early 1950s. Paintwork would have come pretty low down in priorities at the new yard. The privately-owned boats employed on the wigan Power Station traffic were painted by a local signwriter, and did not have the proper traditional decoration, just a cheap interpretation. Tarleton and Whitebirk were the last yards where traditional painting was done properly, though I am not sure of who was employed at Bank Hall in Liverpool by Parkes. So do you think BW simply forgot they had trade in the North, or had none of them ever been further north than Watford, so they didn't know the boats weren't narrow boats? Considering the uniformity of livery of the narrow boat fleet, it seems odd that the yards up here were left to do pretty much what they felt like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 Trade on the L&LC was more intensive than on narrow canals, so the boats were worked harder, giving less time for attention to paintwork. CTLtd boats were averaging 450 miles per week around 1953, when the canal was carrying something like 500,000 tons annually, probably with around 50-60 boats in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 31/08/2017 at 11:15, Laurence Hogg said: Were they? I think not. A curved stencil guide was used for "British Waterways" based on a GUCCCo cabin side which is why on some boats (FMC) it looks wrong. The house emblem was a transfer both in DIWE and BTC/BW cases. Bulls Bridge had a resident sign writer as did other depots. Transfers were used later on for the castle panels and some rose clusters but that was in the late 1950's for River class boats. As an aside Bradley used stencils for all their lettering right through until the later light blue BW livery. do any of there stencils still exist? or anyone have a photo of one? I would love to make a copy! I mean it I want to make a copy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 Laurence is no longer with us, I’m afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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