housing benefit for license fee?

[nicknorman]

I think all you are doing is proving my point about wriggle room. You know and we all know what your statement implied given the common meaning of such a statement apart from the literal.

 

What you are saying is that because I didn't say what you hoped I had said, I must therefore be wriggling. What I would say is that you are looking for meaning in my post that was not present. You can always make an argument with any communication that says "I know what you really meant, even though you didn't say it" but it doesn't hold much water.

[churchward]

 

What you are saying is that because I didn't say what you hoped I had said, I must therefore be wriggling. What I would say is that you are looking for meaning in my post that was not present. You can always make an argument with any communication that says "I know what you really meant, even though you didn't say it" but it doesn't hold much water.

keep digging

[peterboat]

Everyone should remeber that the benefits system was set up as a catchment a hand back up not a lifestyle which for a lot of people it has turned into the present government are trying to return it back to its intended purpose!! I without any problem can name at least 10 plus people that are miking the system I am sure most of you could do the same? And to me thats the crux of the issue why should these people display utter and total contempt for the working people of this country ?

 

Peter

[nicknorman]

keep digging

Keep imagining

[Higgs]

Everyone should remeber that the benefits system was set up as a catchment a hand back up not a lifestyle which for a lot of people it has turned into the present government are trying to return it back to its intended purpose!! I without any problem can name at least 10 plus people that are miking the system I am sure most of you could do the same? And to me thats the crux of the issue why should these people display utter and total contempt for the working people of this country ?

 

Peter

 

I can't see the time coming soon, when the government can make the benefits system reflect your thoughts of how it should work. The government are at the moment considering increasing the minimum wage. This 'new' level of minimum wage will not bridge the gap between the old level and a living wage, which the Working tax credit scheme fills.

 

The tax bill for working tax credits was in the region of 12 billion in 2004 and must be far higher now. Could not obtain statistics from the Office of Statistics.

 

For the benefits system to reflect anything like you think it should, the minimum wage would have to increase by an amount that would reflect a living wage as set by the government. This is not going to happen. So, In or out of work, the benefits system is used.

Edited January 10, 2014 by Higgs

[Woodstock]

Let me throw this into the pot.I have worked 44 years and to this day I have not claimed a days benefit. I had my private pension screwed by Gordon Brown when he took 4.2 billion out of the pension Funds. I am now out of work but currently living on savings. I may at some stage have to claim benefit . I think the Op had a valuable question. to be told to get a job just shows that some people are totally pig ignorant. In my opinion if you put in to the system all your life and at some stage you hit hard times, You have earned the right to take out.

My OH was made redundant 3 years ago after working for the same company for 20+years. He had never been out of work, but in the end refused to claim benefits through a combination of arrogant employees within the system and the fortnightly trek to the job centre where you had to squeeze through the crowd outside supping cans of alcohol and smoking the odd spliff- that is true. Fortunately he was only out of work for a short period and there are people who genuinely need help- but my challenge is:-

Why does the benefit system not take into account what you have previously contributed. Admittedly that won't cover youngsters seeking their first job, but its sad that someone who has paid their taxes for years receives exactly the same as someone who has never tried

[Higgs]

Why does the benefit system not take into account what you have previously contributed. Admittedly that won't cover youngsters seeking their first job, but its sad that someone who has paid their taxes for years receives exactly the same as someone who has never tried

 

It's a bit of a leveller when you're on benefit. It's probably some people's notion of socialist hell. No incentives, no status level but one.

 

You have to aim higher. Capitalist dysfunction.

Edited January 10, 2014 by Higgs

[Southern Star]

Everyone should remeber that the benefits system was set up as a catchment a hand back up not a lifestyle which for a lot of people it has turned into the present government are trying to return it back to its intended purpose!! I without any problem can name at least 10 plus people that are miking the system I am sure most of you could do the same?

I can, in fact just the other week I read about some scrounger who turns up at a building in London, goes inside for 20 minutes and comes out with £300 of taxpayers money, and he does this every day.

[peterboat]

I can, in fact just the other week I read about some scrounger who turns up at a building in London, goes inside for 20 minutes and comes out with £300 of taxpayers money, and he does this every day.

True watching benefits street the other night something similar happened there too

 

Peter

[Rich]

True watching benefits street the other night something similar happened there too

 

Peter

I think Southern Star had a more noble example in mind.

[Southern Star]

I think Southern Star had a more noble example in mind.

Yes, M'lord.

[StarUKKiwi]

I can, in fact just the other week I read about some scrounger who turns up at a building in London, goes inside for 20 minutes and comes out with £300 of taxpayers money, and he does this every day.

I think there's 650 of them in the 'Other Place' some claiming more in benefits than they get in salary!

[Jerra]

I without any problem can name at least 10 plus people that are miking the system I am sure most of you could do the same?

I certainly can't I only know 2 people on benefits and I am not aware of either of them milking the system.

[Lady Muck]

I don't know anyone on bens at the moment? I know alot of very skint people though!

[StarUKKiwi]

I know over 10 people on benefits & none are rich

[Southern Star]

I know over 10 people on benefits & none are rich

As I've said in another post, I was unemployed and on benefits during the last two recessions, and they were the most miserable, poverty-stricken years of my life.

 

On the Radio 2 Jeremy Whine Show today, an 87-year-old woman phoned in. She had lived on James Turner Street thirty years ago and spoke about how everybody had a tremendous pride in the street, and how nobody lived on benefits but instead all went out and did an honest day's work.

 

She seemed decent enough, but I still couldn't help thinking "Yes Dear, but that's because there were factories in Birmingham thirty years ago, and they didn't close down because Brummies became too lazy and feckless to work in them."

 

These programmes just demonise people who have absolutely no chance of living a happy and productive life, in order to deflect attention from the real culprits, the rentier class, politicians, bankers etc etc etc.

[peterboat]

My business partner and I were totting up people we know on benefits and then saying how long they have been on them the criteria was over a year as we thought it reasonable to get a job in that time Dave won as one of his neighbours had nearly 20 years and no work I knew someone who had 8 years in with no work to me that is milking the system

 

Peter

[Guest]

My business partner and I were totting up people we know on benefits and then saying how long they have been on them the criteria was over a year as we thought it reasonable to get a job in that time Dave won as one of his neighbours had nearly 20 years and no work I knew someone who had 8 years in with no work to me that is milking the system

 

Peter

So missing the point made earlier about being able to claim housing benefit even when employed you thought you would broaden your rant to include any benefit what so ever.

 

I suggest that you and your mate Dave need to work in the DWP as you are both clearly more qualified than those that already do....

[John Williamson 1955]

My business partner and I were totting up people we know on benefits and then saying how long they have been on them the criteria was over a year as we thought it reasonable to get a job in that time Dave won as one of his neighbours had nearly 20 years and no work I knew someone who had 8 years in with no work to me that is milking the system

 

Peter

About four doors down from where I used to live, there was a family who had been on unemployment benefits for an unbroken two generations, with the third generation still at school with no intention of looking for work. Local unemployment was about 70%, and I felt a bit out of place going to work every day.

[StarUKKiwi]

As I've said in another post, I was unemployed and on benefits during the last two recessions, and they were the most miserable, poverty-stricken years of my life.

 

On the Radio 2 Jeremy Whine Show today, an 87-year-old woman phoned in. She had lived on James Turner Street thirty years ago and spoke about how everybody had a tremendous pride in the street, and how nobody lived on benefits but instead all went out and did an honest day's work.

 

She seemed decent enough, but I still couldn't help thinking "Yes Dear, but that's because there were factories in Birmingham thirty years ago, and they didn't close down because Brummies became too lazy and feckless to work in them."

 

These programmes just demonise people who have absolutely no chance of living a happy and productive life, in order to deflect attention from the real culprits, the rentier class, politicians, bankers etc etc etc.

Exactly & the majority of benefits are pensions & majority of HB claimants are in work

[peterboat]

So missing the point made earlier about being able to claim housing benefit even when employed you thought you would broaden your rant to include any benefit what so ever.

 

I suggest that you and your mate Dave need to work in the DWP as you are both clearly more qualified than those that already do....

No I said milking the system that covered them all! A friend of mine Suzie works for DWP she has seen every form of swindle that you can imagine on benefits they are always surprised when they are caught. My point is that Benefits are a safety net not a lifestyle.

 

Peter

Exactly & the majority of benefits are pensions & majority of HB claimants are in work

On this week last night it was 50% pensions then the remaining 50% is 25% for those in work and 25% for those not in work. So a quarter of all benefits are paid to the unemployed. According to the journalist it is one of the top complaints by the general public.

 

Peter

[Guest]

Ah right.... My imaginary 'friend' Suzy....

[StarUKKiwi]

No I said milking the system that covered them all! A friend of mine Suzie works for DWP she has seen every form of swindle that you can imagine on benefits they are always surprised when they are caught. My point is that Benefits are a safety net not a lifestyle.

 

Peter

 

On this week last night it was 50% pensions then the remaining 50% is 25% for those in work and 25% for those not in work. So a quarter of all benefits are paid to the unemployed. According to the journalist it is one of the top complaints by the general public.

 

Peter

http://www.hazemagazine.co.uk/benefit-street-the-facts-infographic

Actually, it's 3% claimed for unemployment; a common misconception

[peterboat]

Ah right.... My imaginary 'friend' Suzy....

Come to Sheffield you can meet her and another member on here knows her well. If you have to say that I am telling lies then you have lost the argument.

 

http://www.hazemagazine.co.uk/benefit-street-the-facts-infographic

Actually, it's 3% claimed for unemployment; a common misconception

I am only saying what it said on the show and Diane Abbot didnt argue the fact

 

Peter

[Willber G]

Phil I manage my money carefully putting aside the money required to pay my bills first. We work long hours which makes our hourly rate small overall. Everone else has their hand out first so we tend to be last in the line for money One day it will be better again no doubt but in the meantime we have tightened our belts and will no doubt survive. However if things were that bad here I would move my boat and look for work elsewhere because we live in a moveable home we have that choice dont we?

 

Peter

 

Running four Alfa Romeos and a Mustang can't be cheap.