Historic Boats for sale online

[MtB]

The advert actually states the beam to be "6.10 ft", which I interpreted as 6ft 10in given that 6.10 is an odd way of expressing a number of feet in imperial units.

 

Whether or not this includes the rope fender is not clear.

 

Perhaps it was a narrower icebreaker hull though, only 6.1ft beam. Isn't there one about only 5ft beam?

[alan_fincher]

As a complete aside, I keep seeing things like "CRT licence until Juy 2017", so obviously the massage that CRT licences are not transferable when you sell a boat is still not known by many people.

[MtB]

As a complete aside, I keep seeing things like "CRT licence until Juy 2017", so obviously the massage that CRT licences are not transferable when you sell a boat is still not known by many people.

 

 

Yes I keep noticing that too. Easily sidestepped by the seller 'forgetting' to tell CRT they've sold it until up for renewal though.

[zenataomm]

Now that is one mighty purty little boat!

[furnessvale]

 

It didn't seem to be an issue.

 

We saw it on the descent from Etruria through Stoke on Trent.

 

i suspect that the rope fendering is actually low enough down on the shaped hull to not massively increase beam, (which is anyway quoted at 6' 1o" not 7').

 

This picture suggests it still isn't held very far from the sides. (From this blog post).

 

Sadly, this photo does not give the true picture.

 

At that location the waling to those heavy piles is a length of railway rail meaning that the rope has a gap under the rail at least 6" deep in which to hide itself.

 

Lovely boat nevertheless.

 

George ex nb Alton retired

[Jrtm]

As a complete aside, I keep seeing things like "CRT licence until Juy 2017", so obviously the massage that CRT licences are not transferable when you sell a boat is still not known by many people.

We didnt nore did the sellers but we had put it in as an agreement of the sale so we were given the refunded licance money and got a new licance ourselves

[zenataomm]

I suppose that interesting lump of gubbins hanging off the back end covers the propeller?

Could it be an outdrive unit?

Whichever, I guess it means the only alteration to the hull will be an 'ole for a shaft to exit from.

 

Much better than hacking a step into the stern post and adding anti-cavitation plates, or chopping the back off to fit a counter.

[magnetman]

 

 

Re MtB and narrow beam icebreakers.

 

 

Erebus is about 5ft8 iirc (not sure where she is now but was around Milton Keynes last time I saw her about 10+ years ago. How she rolls

[alan_fincher]

Sadly, this photo does not give the true picture.

 

At that location the waling to those heavy piles is a length of railway rail meaning that the rope has a gap under the rail at least 6" deep in which to hide itself.

 

Of course you are quite correct, George.

 

Should have looked closely at what I was posting.

 

I'm assuming that overall there is no issue with narrow locks, so assume the hull is not particularly wide.

[Captain Pegg]

Just noticed Dover is under offer at Rugby Boats. Asking price of £75k. Still no takers for Beaulieu at £88k through ABNB.

[bargemast]

There's something I don't quite understand in Beaulieu's discription on the ABNB site it says:

 

Plating: 10/(1/4in)6/4/4 do they mean that the 10mm is the equivalent of the 1/4in ?

 

as if that's the case it's an error.

 

Peter.

[MtB]

There's something I don't quite understand in Beaulieu's discription on the ABNB site it says:

 

Plating: 10/(1/4in)6/4/4

 

As it's between the slashes, I read that as them meaning 1/4" and 6mm are equivalent.

[bargemast]

 

As it's between the slashes, I read that as them meaning 1/4" and 6mm are equivalent.

 

You may be right Mike, but it's not very clear at all, as it's all in mm, and after the first number in mm they put the 1/4in between brackets.

 

I would think that they the thickness of the bottom-plating would be the most important to list, and why create confusion by only giving the messurement of one in inches ?

 

Peter.

[ChimneyChain]

I would imagine it's had a new bottom in 10mm steel with the original sides at a 1/4" steel with 4mm cabin sides and roof.

 

Darren

[MtB]

I would imagine it's had a new bottom in 10mm steel with the original sides at a 1/4" steel with 4mm cabin sides and roof.

 

Darren

 

 

Agreed, very odd.

 

Possibly typed up by an office bod not that familiar with boats, and just typing up what the seller was telling him.

[bargemast]

I would imagine it's had a new bottom in 10mm steel with the original sides at a 1/4" steel with 4mm cabin sides and roof.

 

Darren

 

That looks like a possible explanation, If I had written this part, I would have either added that the boat had a new(ish) 10mm bottom, or just given all the plate dimensions in both messurements : 10 / 6 / 4 / 4 / ( 3/8" / 1/4" / 1/6" / 1/6" ) to avoid confusion.

 

Peter.

[MtB]

 

That looks like a possible explanation, If I had written this part, I would have either added that the boat had a new(ish) 10mm bottom, or just given all the plate dimensions in both messurements : 10 / 6 / 4 / 4 / ( 3/8" / 1/4" / 1/6" / 1/6" ) to avoid confusion.

 

Peter.

 

 

Ah but that would have perhaps illustrated just how little of the boat is actually historic!

[Captain Pegg]

Ah but that would have perhaps illustrated just how little of the boat is actually historic!

Indeed, but we all know that old overplated leisure boats are the true historic craft. ?

 

JP

Edited September 17, 2016 by Captain Pegg

[GUMPY]

 

That looks like a possible explanation, If I had written this part, I would have either added that the boat had a new(ish) 10mm bottom, or just given all the plate dimensions in both messurements : 10 / 6 / 4 / 4 / ( 3/8" / 1/4" / 1/6" / 1/6" ) to avoid confusion.

 

Peter.

deleted as I read 1/6 as 1/16 Edited September 17, 2016 by Loddon

[alan_fincher]

I think Darren has it right. Originally the whole hull was 1/4",so strictly that I'd what any surviving sides are, but they are saying it is effectively the same as 6mm. The bottom, on the other hand has been replaced in 10mm steel, so is genuine ly metric.

[magnetman]

Replaced - does that mean cut out and new material welded in properly or just doubled/overplated? I would definitely prefer a historic boat which had been rebottomed and refooted by cutting out all old material from just above the waterline rather than simply overplated. Fortunately a lot of old narrow boats have had proper work done but by no means all of them.

 

Of course removing old material reduces the historic validity of the boat in some ways but overplating is storing up trouble IMO.

Edited September 17, 2016 by magnetman

[Captain Pegg]

Replaced - does that mean cut out and new material welded in properly or just doubled/overplated? I would definitely prefer a historic boat which had been rebottomed and refooted by cutting out all old material from just above the waterline rather than simply overplated. Fortunately a lot of old narrow boats have had proper work done but by no means all of them.

Of course removing old material reduces the historic validity of the boat in some ways but overplating is storing up trouble IMO.

A historic working boat can be replated; a leisure boat will generally be overplated. Both are dependent upon the quality of the welding but then so is a new build. I think rather too much is made of this issue. I will change my mind only if my boat sinks before I die.

 

JP

[alan_fincher]

Fortunately a lot of old narrow boats have had proper work done but by no means all of them.

 

Define "proper"?

I am actually currently bringing Sickle home from extensive hull repairs at one of the very most respected yards specialising in such work.

The majority has been done by cutting out and replacing, but for certain areas the specialist surveyor has specified overplaying, so that is how it has been done, (for very valid reasons).

I don't think any of what has been done is "not proper".

The bow of Sickle has incidentally had two layers of plate all over for the last 74 years, since it was doubled up in 1942 for extra strength to break ice - even now it still seems "proper"!

[MtB]

Define "proper"?

I am actually currently bringing Sickle home from extensive hull repairs at one of the very most respected yards specialising in such work.

The majority has been done by cutting out and replacing, but for certain areas the specialist surveyor has specified overplaying, so that is how it has been done, (for very valid reasons).

I don't think any of what has been done is "not proper".

The bow of Sickle has incidentally had two layers of plate all over for the last 74 years, since it was doubled up in 1942 for extra strength to break ice - even now it still seems "proper"!

 

 

I'm not sure that overplaying is ever a good idea!

[Tuscan]

On our first old boat half an old woolwich we overplated the base on Aber prior to conversion we cut out and rebottemed from the back cabin forward. We didn't 'overplay' but may have overpaid .....