HS2 Northern Routes

[cheshire~rose]

I have just realised this is also going to affect the Pooley area of The Coventry canal close to Alvecote. I have not had a look at the detailed plans for that area to see exactly where but I think it will run through the nature reserve by Pooley Wharf.

I am fairly hopeless at reading maps (these ones especially as I can't do the "girl" thing of turning them round to the direction I want to travel in) and so I will let someone else do the research (if they wish)

[bizzard]

Modern trains make a horrible harsh rushing noise at speed, largely due to concrete track sleepers, lightweight fabricated bogie frames and small wheels. And if collecting electricity from overhead wires the scraping noise of that adds to the din also.

[Guest]

I have just realised this is also going to affect the Pooley area of The Coventry canal close to Alvecote. I have not had a look at the detailed plans for that area to see exactly where but I think it will run through the nature reserve by Pooley Wharf.

I am fairly hopeless at reading maps (these ones especially as I can't do the "girl" thing of turning them round to the direction I want to travel in) and so I will let someone else do the research (if they wish)

 

Misses the reserve (hatched area in blue) - but there is something marked as the heritage centre on the map that will have a high speed track running through it....

 

[Old git]

There are 32 billion (ish!) problems that I can see.

 

Which then begs the question, why?

 

Martyn

 

Absolute bloody stupidity is why , i have a house within two miles of the bit going through the chiltern hills, and its all green belt !!!!, WTF , I cannot even build a detached garage in the garden, they are having a 180m wide. ( yep you did read that correctly ) swathe cutting through the countryside With trains going past every 6 minutes for large parts of the day .

Its likely being built by a Spainish company who have done a few around the world ........That amount of money would build and finance 63 new hospitals for the next twenty years.

What would you want Hospitals built by British companies for our use or a train for Camerons rich friends, as they will be the only ones able to pay for a ticket .

Even the head man at the Treasury cannot see the figures adding up and has said so in public, and says the country cannot afford this sillyness.

 

This needs a referendum on where WE the public spend OUR money.

 

Old Git

 

Please write to your MP and try to stop it all.

[furnessvale]

Better to invest in silent teleport systems.

You've been watching too much Startrek. On the other hand, I saw "The Fly" and there is no way I am going to be dissolved and recreated elsewhere, especially in shared box with George Osborne. Good grief! I might get his brain by mistake.

 

George ex nb Alton retired

[Higgs]

It has also been suggested by one of the Trustees that we could offer "Derbyshire Cruises" to day trippers from London .... 60 minutes on the train from London, 6 hours peacefully gliding through the countryside of The Chesterfield Canal then 60 minutes back to London in time for tea!

 

I can tell you're an optimist. Don't ask me how, It's a gift.

[carlt]

they are having a 180m wide. ( yep you did read that correctly ) swathe cutting through the countryside

 

You could also say that they are creating a new North to South wildlife corridor.

[Old git]

The demand for transport seems to rise inexorably.

 

If they don't build more railway capacity they will have to build more road (ie motorway) capacity.

 

I know which I prefer.

 

George ex nb Alton retired

 

CRAP..........Read the stop HS2 campaign details......With figures by the treasury, It does not add up at all...........Its a vote buyer a confidence booster to the great unwashed that we are not in recession..........The treasury even state in last years forecast they cannot find the money for the budget at present and have stated the figures are dubious as to the returns.

When will the stupidity end .

 

 

[nebulae]

A high speed railway link between London and the north has already been built.A straight,level high speed link between Manchester,Sheffield and London(Also designed to link to the Channel Tunnel).Extensive goods handling facilities and a trans Pennine overhead electric service through Woodhead Tunnel.It was called the Great Central Railway.It was closed and destroyed at great expense because it was not needed(we were told)Now we are told it was needed and is to be rebuilt at vast public expense.The Great Central Railway being built at the expense of private investors.The lack of ability of government bodies to plan ahead hardly inspires confidence in anything they say?

[Old git]

You could also say that they are creating a new North to South wildlife corridor.

 

Its already GREEN BELT..........

 

Go down to Kent and listen to the Eurostar trains at high speed, audible 4 miles from the high speed line any evening, It will be worse than that !!!!

 

Want it now ?

[Guest]

Modern trains make a horrible harsh rushing noise at speed, largely due to concrete track sleepers, lightweight fabricated bogie frames and small wheels. And if collecting electricity from overhead wires the scraping noise of that adds to the din also.

 

I've always noticed that Eurostar is particularly noisy - it seems to have a unique rising and falling 'wooshing' sound

 

(High speed train porn alert)

 

 

that other HST's don't seem to have.

 

Edited January 28, 2013 by The Dog House

[trackman]

There are very good reasons for the UK to catch up with the rest of the world in this area of transport.

 

The greatest is the plain fact that our existing railways (the important ones anyway) are rammed to bursting. We've only just completed the upgrade of the West Coast main line and already it is nearly full. The upgrade took years, cost a fortune and made the lives of its users and neighbours a misery while it happened. Yet it is still a Victorian railway with loads of disadvantages by comparison with what the French, Spanish, Chinese and many others take for granted these days from their railways.

 

As a semi-retired railway engineer, I am not going to gain any work or money from this, but I cannot see any real argument against it. I've considered it long and hard, and believe it to be a "no-brainer" if the country is going to be competitive and "green" in the decades ahead.. We have to build new railway capacity, and to build it to Victorian standards instead of 21st century ones would be madness. It would cost very little less to do that and take little, if any, less land, but deliver so much less for the future of our country.

 

Of course there will be issues to sort out, such as the canal crossings we boaters are worried about. The answer to that is for us to get involved vocally in the consultation process, and make sure that the issues we have are managed appropriately.

 

As for householders, landowners and so on, believe you me they will not lose out. The Government will have to "buy off" the MPs whose constituencies are affected by making sure that affected people are treated well. On the first stage there are already all sorts of deals on offer so that people can get compensation for the effects of the scheme.

 

Building HS2 may be upsetting to people along the route while it happens, but then so would a major upgrade of any of the existing routes. At least the work will have relatively little effect on users of existing lines, unlike an upgrade, which would be a major pain. Remember all the "bustitutions" on the West Coast line a few years ago. I certainly do, and it isn't a happy memory!

 

Experience is that once the line is open, few neighbours will notice it once the trees grow back etc. Meanwhile, the existing railways will be freed of the high speed trains and have lots of capacity released for better local and freight services, using the paths left vacant. This will mean better services for the towns and cities not directly served by HS2. So it isn't just for the big cities like London & Birmingham, it will also benefit the likes of MK, Coventry, Crewe, and the like on the existing lines.

 

 

[carlt]

Its already GREEN BELT..........

Not all of it and a wildlife corridor linking different greenbelt sites is no bad thing.

Go down to Kent and listen to the Eurostar trains at high speed, audible 4 miles from the high speed line any evening, It will be worse than that !!!!

 

Want it now ?

Yes I do.

[Nightwatch]

There are very good reasons for the UK to catch up with the rest of the world in this area of transport.

 

The greatest is the plain fact that our existing railways (the important ones anyway) are rammed to bursting. We've only just completed the upgrade of the West Coast main line and already it is nearly full. The upgrade took years, cost a fortune and made the lives of its users and neighbours a misery while it happened. Yet it is still a Victorian railway with loads of disadvantages by comparison with what the French, Spanish, Chinese and many others take for granted these days from their railways.

 

As a semi-retired railway engineer, I am not going to gain any work or money from this, but I cannot see any real argument against it. I've considered it long and hard, and believe it to be a "no-brainer" if the country is going to be competitive and "green" in the decades ahead.. We have to build new railway capacity, and to build it to Victorian standards instead of 21st century ones would be madness. It would cost very little less to do that and take little, if any, less land, but deliver so much less for the future of our country.

 

Of course there will be issues to sort out, such as the canal crossings we boaters are worried about. The answer to that is for us to get involved vocally in the consultation process, and make sure that the issues we have are managed appropriately.

 

As for householders, landowners and so on, believe you me they will not lose out. The Government will have to "buy off" the MPs whose constituencies are affected by making sure that affected people are treated well. On the first stage there are already all sorts of deals on offer so that people can get compensation for the effects of the scheme.

 

Building HS2 may be upsetting to people along the route while it happens, but then so would a major upgrade of any of the existing routes. At least the work will have relatively little effect on users of existing lines, unlike an upgrade, which would be a major pain. Remember all the "bustitutions" on the West Coast line a few years ago. I certainly do, and it isn't a happy memory!

 

Experience is that once the line is open, few neighbours will notice it once the trees grow back etc. Meanwhile, the existing railways will be freed of the high speed trains and have lots of capacity released for better local and freight services, using the paths left vacant. This will mean better services for the towns and cities not directly served by HS2. So it isn't just for the big cities like London & Birmingham, it will also benefit the likes of MK, Coventry, Crewe, and the like on the existing lines.

 

 

I can't accept this. In this day of advanced communication with on line conferencing and many another form of meeting enhancements, ordering systems and so on, why is there a need to get to Birmingham,Sheffield,Manchester or Leeds fourty or so minutes sooner.

 

Have we not learnt from the demise of Concorde and it's promise of shrinking the world.

 

There is no need for HS whatever. Especially when we have no money!

 

Martyn

 

Martyn

[leeco]

We are at woodlesford but I don't think we will be there in 2033 when it opens.

 

I thinkits great for the country.

[cheshire~rose]

Misses the reserve (hatched area in blue) - but there is something marked as the heritage centre on the map that will have a high speed track running through it....

 

 

The Heritage Centre grounds house one of the main car parks for the nature reserve which is accessed via a bridge over the canal. Immediately adjacent to this is Pooley Wharf which currently has a handfull of boats moored there, some live aboard.

 

The area is an old pit site, the original Pooley Mine buildings are mostly used by small industry. There are some excellent engineers among them, the type who struggle to find small inexpensive workshops where they can carry out their work as it is considered to be too dirty and noisy for many modern industrial estates. It will be a shame for them to lose their workplaces. I also know of at least 3 residences in that area too.

[bizzard]

All it means is that the faster trains go on new lines the more people will commute to work even longer distances as indeed is the main reason for them, to attract more long distance commuters. But when services are suspended by frequent breakdowns, weather, snow ect, a great many more folk than now will not get to work and so even more seriously effect the country's economy.

[Old git]

There are very good reasons for the UK to catch up with the rest of the world in this area of transport.

 

The greatest is the plain fact that our existing railways (the important ones anyway) are rammed to bursting. We've only just completed the upgrade of the West Coast main line and already it is nearly full. The upgrade took years, cost a fortune and made the lives of its users and neighbours a misery while it happened. Yet it is still a Victorian railway with loads of disadvantages by comparison with what the French, Spanish, Chinese and many others take for granted these days from their railways.

 

As a semi-retired railway engineer, I am not going to gain any work or money from this, but I cannot see any real argument against it. I've considered it long and hard, and believe it to be a "no-brainer" if the country is going to be competitive and "green" in the decades ahead.. We have to build new railway capacity, and to build it to Victorian standards instead of 21st century ones would be madness. It would cost very little less to do that and take little, if any, less land, but deliver so much less for the future of our country.

 

Of course there will be issues to sort out, such as the canal crossings we boaters are worried about. The answer to that is for us to get involved vocally in the consultation process, and make sure that the issues we have are managed appropriately.

 

As for householders, landowners and so on, believe you me they will not lose out. The Government will have to "buy off" the MPs whose constituencies are affected by making sure that affected people are treated well. On the first stage there are already all sorts of deals on offer so that people can get compensation for the effects of the scheme.

 

Building HS2 may be upsetting to people along the route while it happens, but then so would a major upgrade of any of the existing routes. At least the work will have relatively little effect on users of existing lines, unlike an upgrade, which would be a major pain. Remember all the "bustitutions" on the West Coast line a few years ago. I certainly do, and it isn't a happy memory!

 

Experience is that once the line is open, few neighbours will notice it once the trees grow back etc. Meanwhile, the existing railways will be freed of the high speed trains and have lots of capacity released for better local and freight services, using the paths left vacant. This will mean better services for the towns and cities not directly served by HS2. So it isn't just for the big cities like London & Birmingham, it will also benefit the likes of MK, Coventry, Crewe, and the like on the existing lines.

 

 

How Wrong can you be ,

 

There is a distance of 2670M from our house to the centre of the tracks proposed route, we are 22m higher than track level and there is a slight dip in between us and it , all arable fields

We get nothing nowt sod all not a bean........Except the noise when its open.

 

And I still am not allowed to build my detached garage as I have a house in a Green belt area.

 

Now go and actually read the real facts before spouting off........

 

I will never be able to sell this house which at present is in beautiful Green belt.........Which is why I bought it.

 

Hs2. The biggest white Elephant in history ! IT STINKS. and it is not Carbon neutral or Green in any way, its Co2 output will be horrendous.

[furnessvale]

Its already GREEN BELT..........

 

Go down to Kent and listen to the Eurostar trains at high speed, audible 4 miles from the high speed line any evening, It will be worse than that !!!!

 

Want it now ?

 

I am surprised you can hear anything above the CONSTANT drone of the motorway(s) through Kent.

 

"Want it now?" Yes please. The sooner the better. But I will accept the alternative of a reopened Great Central Railway line to carry the extra freight, or does that go near your house as well?

 

George ex nb Alton retired

[Athy]

I've always noticed that Eurostar is particularly noisy - it seems to have a unique rising and falling 'wooshing' sound

[quote

 

Something to do, I think, with the gaps between the carriages, though I'm not sure why. Somebody fetch a boffin, please.

[Naughty Cal]

How Wrong can you be ,

 

There is a distance of 2670M from our house to the centre of the tracks proposed route, we are 22m higher than track level and there is a slight dip in between us and it , all arable fields

We get nothing nowt sod all not a bean........Except the noise when its open.

 

And I still am not allowed to build my detached garage as I have a house in a Green belt area.

 

Now go and actually read the real facts before spouting off........

 

I will never be able to sell this house which at present is in beautiful Green belt.........Which is why I bought it.

 

Hs2. The biggest white Elephant in history ! IT STINKS. and it is not Carbon neutral or Green in any way, its Co2 output will be horrendous.

 

Would you be happy for the project to go ahead if it didn't pass almost 3km away from your home?

[carlt]

Well I've spent today's greenies on Dave Mayall and Phyllis...

 

I think I need a lie down.

[Guest]

Would you be happy for the project to go ahead if it didn't pass almost 3km away from your home?

 

I thought that was a typo at first but yes nearly 2 miles away - there is no doubt in the right conditions it is going to heard - but only just - there are a a lot of folk who have homes a hell of a lot closer than that - I bet these home-owners in Woodlesford wished it was that distance away - those houses have not long been built either.

 

2 nice elevated viaducts to look at as well.

 

[jelunga]

You've been watching too much Startrek. On the other hand, I saw "The Fly" and there is no way I am going to be dissolved and recreated elsewhere, especially in shared box with George Osborne. Good grief! I might get his brain by mistake.

 

George ex nb Alton retired

Blakes 7 actually. British series that I think Star Trek knicked ideas from. It was a Transporter on Star Trek and much less reliable!

[Pie Eater]

Link to maps

 

Not good for the northern T&M or the SUC Middlewich Branch either: T&M crossing between Whatcroft and Croxton on a viaduct ("max speed 400km/h") (and I reckon pretty much directly over one of my favourite mooring spots!), Middlewich Branch crossing between Stanthorne Lock and the existing WCML.

 

Oh, and a Bridgewater crossing at Agden Bridge between Lymm and Dunham.

 

(Not looked further South at Stoke area yet)

And guess who is going to be moored under a railway bridge at Agden Should be dry when painting the boat though

 

Steve