EA water points

[Steilsteven]

EA's latest ''solution'' to a non problem, and if your filler is above ground level it won't work.

 

 

[Alan de Enfield]

12 minutes ago, Steilsteven said:

EA's latest ''solution'' to a non problem, and if your filler is above ground level it won't work.

 

 

 

 

Can you explain the photo ?

 

What is the blue hose for / doing ?

What is the yellow hose for / doing ?

 

Why the big pillar and why won't the boat fill if your filler is above the ground.

[Steilsteven]

3 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

 

Can you explain the photo ?

 

What is the blue hose for / doing ?

What is the yellow hose for / doing ?

 

Why the big pillar and why won't the boat fill if your filler is above the ground.

The blue hose is attached to to a tap with an anti back flow device ( this was EA's previous ''solution'' to complying with the 1999 water supply regs ) and is feeding my 1200 litre water tank which is four feet above ground level. the device has a 2 mm hole which feeds the hose and four 2 mm holes which discharge water due to back pressure. These devices were never designed for a hose longer than 60 cm. The link below should show it in operation.

 

The pillar contains a small cistern which feeds the yellow hose via gravity and the wide beam is being filled by it. As this only provides a trickle of water it is taking an eternity and the boat crew resorted to filling small containers from another tap to try and speed up the process. If you lift the yellow hose up more than a foot or so the water ceases to flow. 

 

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipM6lK-S_RbPBTwsdJal3BMoBh7KdGerGYY3kfWZ

[rusty69]

1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

 

Can you explain the photo ?

 

What is the blue hose for / doing ?

What is the yellow hose for / doing ?

 

Why the big pillar and why won't the boat fill if your filler is above the ground.

It is the new EA pay as you go lock trial being conducted on the River Nene Alan.

In an effort to increase revenue, one lock on the River nene in Northamptonshire is undertaking a trial to fill the lock through a metered hose pipe connection. The traditional lock paddle gear has been removed, and instead water is pumped from the river,in to the top of the pillar,and  through a metered connection and a standpipe. The boater is then able to fill the lock using their conventional hosepipe, and sent an annual bill depending on how much water they have used in the season.

If two boats are in the lock, two hoses can be used. Hence the blue and yellow one.

The dog seen in the background is on standby so that the system is not abused. His name is Bouncer.

Edited June 30, 2022 by rusty69

[Alan de Enfield]

6 minutes ago, Steilsteven said:

The blue hose is attached to to a tap with an anti back flow device ( this was EA's previous ''solution'' to complying with the 1999 water supply regs ) and is feeding my 1200 litre water tank which is four feet above ground level. the device has a 2 mm hole which feeds the hose and four 2 mm holes which discharge water due to back pressure. These devices were never designed for a hose longer than 60 cm. The link below should show it in operation.

 

The pillar contains a small cistern which feeds the yellow hose via gravity and the wide beam is being filled by it. As this only provides a trickle of water it is taking an eternity and the boat crew resorted to filling small containers from another tap to try and speed up the process. If you lift the yellow hose up more than a foot or so the water ceases to flow. 

 

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipM6lK-S_RbPBTwsdJal3BMoBh7KdGerGYY3kfWZ

 

 

Thankyou - now understand.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

It is the new EA pay as you go lock trial being conducted on the River Nene Alan.

In an effort to increase revenue, one lock on the River nene in Northamptonshire is undertaking a trial to fill the lock through  metered hose pipe connection. The traditional lock paddle gear has been removed, and instead water is pumped from the river, through a metered connection and a standpipe. The boater is then able to fill the lock using their conventional hosepipe, and sent an annual bill depending on how many locks they have used in the season.
If two boats are in the lock, two hoses can be used. Hence the blue and yellow one.

The dog seen in the background is on standby so that the system is not abused.

 

Seems like a good cash generator - maybe C&RT should try it as well.

 

(I've got a new rubber suit now - I now understand why you wear it - lovely feeling ......................)

[Scholar Gypsy]

Is it just me, the photo in the original post is not visible to me.

[IanM]

4 minutes ago, Scholar Gypsy said:

Is it just me, the photo in the original post is not visible to me.

 

It was, but it seems to be gone now.

[David Mack]

It was visible yesterday, but now I get a grey 'No Entry' sign.

[Thames Bhaji]

I’m guessing it’s one of these?

 

https://www.arrowvalves.co.uk/3-4-standpipe-assy-cat-5

[PaulJ]

9 minutes ago, Thames Bhaji said:

I’m guessing it’s one of these?

 

https://www.arrowvalves.co.uk/3-4-standpipe-assy-cat-5

That is a very expensive tap!

[pearley]

Let's hope they keep away from the Great Ouse.

[PaulJ]

1 minute ago, pearley said:

Let's hope they keep away from the Great Ouse.

You wont have to worry about that-at that cost we will just lose all the waterpoints instead 😀

[pearley]

1 hour ago, PaulJ said:

You wont have to worry about that-at that cost we will just lose all the waterpoints instead 😀

We haven't got that many to lose!

 

[Steilsteven]

21 hours ago, Thames Bhaji said:

I’m guessing it’s one of these?

 

https://www.arrowvalves.co.uk/3-4-standpipe-assy-cat-5

Yes that's the one, add in the cost of casting the concrete plinth and the pointless protective frame, transporting of materials and labour and we're probably looking at £4,000 per installation. A simple non return valve in the supply to the tap ( as seen at every water point on the CRT canal system ) would have met the regs with a cost per water point of around £250 inclusive of labour. 

I don't know what happened to the photos but I can still see them.

 

Keith

[Thames Bhaji]

I believe that as long as the Thames is classed as a category 5 contamination risk (the highest) there aren’t many options that fully meet the requirement - a non-return valve isn’t enough. Given that it is also one of the EA’s responsibilities, making the Thames not a category 5 risk ought to the the answer! 

[Chewbacka]

49 minutes ago, Thames Bhaji said:

I believe that as long as the Thames is classed as a category 5 contamination risk (the highest) there aren’t many options that fully meet the requirement - a non-return valve isn’t enough. Given that it is also one of the EA’s responsibilities, making the Thames not a category 5 risk ought to the the answer! 

Presumably because the water companies dump too much sewerage into the river which the ea doesn’t seem to take much action to prevent………

Edited July 2, 2022 by Chewbacka

[Steilsteven]

32 minutes ago, Thames Bhaji said:

I believe that as long as the Thames is classed as a category 5 contamination risk (the highest) there aren’t many options that fully meet the requirement - a non-return valve isn’t enough. Given that it is also one of the EA’s responsibilities, making the Thames not a category 5 risk ought to the the answer! 

Fluid category 5

Fluid representing a serious health hazard because of the concentration of pathogenic organisms, radioactive or very toxic substances, including any fluid which contains–

(a)faecal material or other human waste;

(b)butchery or other animal waste; or

(c)pathogens from any other source.

 

The Thames itself isn't classed as a category 5 risk, if it was it would be illegal to swim in it.

Previously Thames water points had hoses permanently attached to them and no non return valve in the supply. The possibility of a hose being left lying on the ground in this circumstance created a risk of contamination of the water supply should it be interrupted ( turned off for works to be carried out on the main supply for instance ) causing back flow. This possibility would have been easily overcome by 1.boaters having to supply their own hose  and 2. the fitting of a non return valve in the supply to the tap ( as is required for all mains supply taps in public buildings and domestic garden hoses. 

 

Keith

[Thames Bhaji]

When I say ‘I believe…’ I’m just passing on what someone at the EA told me over the phone last year. 

[Alan de Enfield]

36 minutes ago, Steilsteven said:

This possibility would have been easily overcome by 1.boaters having to supply their own hose  and 2. the fitting of a non return valve in the supply to the tap ( as is required for all mains supply taps in public buildings and domestic garden hoses. 

 

Which is exactly what our marina did - sent out a letter / email to all moorers informing them that all 'marina hoses' were being withdrawn and boaters must povide their own which should be disconnected from the tap once finished filling tank, washing boat etc.

 

They cited the 'new' legislation as requiring these actions.

[David Mack]

3 hours ago, Steilsteven said:

I don't know what happened to the photos but I can still see them.

Probably because you are logged in to the site that hosts them, and the rest of us aren't.

[Steilsteven]

3 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Which is exactly what our marina did - sent out a letter / email to all moorers informing them that all 'marina hoses' were being withdrawn and boaters must povide their own which should be disconnected from the tap once finished filling tank, washing boat etc.

 

They cited the 'new' legislation as requiring these actions.

Yes the new legislation that was introduced 23 years ago.

 

Keith

[Alan de Enfield]

Just now, Steilsteven said:

Yes the new legislation that was introduced 23 years ago.

 

Keith

 

And never enforced until a couple of years ago.

[Steilsteven]

1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

And never enforced until a couple of years ago.

Only in the boating world, it has been everywhere else throughout the plumbing industry.

The most annoying thing about EA's approach is that they should have the knowledge but they clearly don't. The latest contraption and the previous anti back flow devices were never intended or designed to be used for filling boat tanks via long ( more than 60 cm ) hoses, they were intended for filling cattle troughs.

 

 

[Steilsteven]

[pearley]

3 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Which is exactly what our marina did - sent out a letter / email to all moorers informing them that all 'marina hoses' were being withdrawn and boaters must povide their own which should be disconnected from the tap once finished filling tank, washing boat etc.

 

They cited the 'new' legislation as requiring these actions.

Unlike our marina, which is on s river where it is legal to empty your toilets into, who installed a number of new pontoons last October with water points complete with hoses.

Edited July 2, 2022 by pearley