Dispute at Pillings

[Naughty Cal]

 

Did he?

 

I thought it was you who stated this!

 

MtB

 

Why do you doubt this?

 

With the previous NAA CRT were entitled to block off the access the minute a single quarterly payment fell into arrears. Instead, they waited six years and even now they still haven't done it.

 

Their track record in holding both QMP and piss-taking CMers to account suggests they are highly likely to allow the same situation to occur again, surely.

 

 

MtB

I thought CRT were cracking down on "piss taking Cmers"?

 

Surely a lot of the "issues" they are sorting out now are hangovers from the BW days.

[David Mack]

CaRT should never have got rid of their moorings it is up to private marinas to attract their customers Its called business competition.

 

Actually no.

 

One of the main reasons behind the introduction of the new marinas policy some years ago was that with both the number of boats on the system and their average length increasing there were more and more lengths of continuous moored boats appearing. Users were complaining about the need to travel at reduced speed for longer distances and others were objecting to the visual impacts of long lines of moored boats. At the same time the trade was arguing that BW had no consistent policy on connections and charges, making it difficult for anyone to know whether they could make a case for investing in offline moorings.

 

The result was that BW and the BMF negoitiated a standard connection agreement, the NAA, with a connection fee which was known in advance and so could be factored into a marina developer's financial planning (Pillings take note!). And as part of the process BW agreed to reduce the number of online moorings locally, both to the reduce the lengths of continuous moored boats, and to provide a revenue-neutral means of incentivising marina development.

[RoyRollings1]

Dear Berth Holders,

I am delighted to inform you that following sucessful talks, an agreement has been reached with the Canals and Rivers Trust. A new Network Access Agreement has been agreed.

Due to banking restrictions, an extension has been granted allowing until next Tuesday 15th April to transfer funds as part of the new agreement. The first payment has been made today, with the remaining two scheduled for Monday 14th and Tuesday 15th April.

CRT have agreed to suspend any blockade until Wednesday 16th April 2014 in order for payments to be received by their solicitors. I have copied Phil Spencer`s latest email and posted it below mine.

Clearly as payments have begun and are in process, there is no reason for the blockade to occur so access will be maintained.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your patience throughout this difficult time, I full understand the problems this situation has caused to many customers, although I hope this email marks the end of the troubles for you. Paul is on site all day today so if you would like to discuss any concerns, please do. Alternatively I am available on my mobile 07958 027834 all afternoon.

Kind Regards,

Roy Rollings

Director

Pilling`s Lock Trading Ltd

From: Phil Spencer

Sent: 11 April 2014 13:14
To: Phil Spencer
Subject: Pillings Lock Marina

Dear Boat Licence Customer

I am writing to advise you that the Trust has today agreed to suspend implementation of the works to block up the entrance to Pillings Lock Marina basin from the waterway due to start on Monday 14 April.

This is because the new owners of the marina, Pillings Lock Trading Ltd have now:

1. Satisfied the Trust that they have the required freehold title.

2. Confirmed that they will enter into a standard NAA, to commence as soon as completion can be achieved, at the standard rate of 9% of gross moorings income that applies to all new marinas, but with a reduced capacity of 275 berths. 40 berths will be put fully out of use.

3. Confirmed they will provide the Trust with the financial security it requires in order to give the Trust full protection against any future risk of default on payments made to the Trust under the terms of the agreement.

In light of this significant move to accept the Trust’s terms in full, and given the impact on boaters moored in the marina, we believe it is right to allow sufficient time for the necessary legal agreements to be completed and monies transferred to the Trust. We will review the situation on the morning of Wednesday 16^th April. Our works team will remain on stand-by to resume the works to block up the entrance if agreement is not reached by then.

The Trust continues to give this matter the highest priority.

Yours sincerely

Phil Spencer

Head of Business Boating

M: 07710 175342 | DD: 0113 281 6833 |

[MtB]

Excellent news.

 

I'm wondering how PLT found the cash when QMP couldn't.

 

Forgive my cynicism.

 

 

MtB

 

 

 

(Edit to get the company abbreviations right!)

Edited April 11, 2014 by Mike the Boilerman

[hargreaves07]

But what has happened to the outstanding debt that was owed by Quorn. I must be missing something here but the dispute was about the original debt. If this is still outstanding then surely a very bad precident has been set. Do companies just recreate themselves as a new company thus wiping out their debts.

[SoosieQ]

Excellent news.

 

I'm wondering how PLT found the cash when QMP couldn't.

 

Forgive my cynicism.

 

 

MtB

 

 

 

(Edit to get the company abbreviations right!)

Because its been there all along under one of the other companies doormats?

[Naughty Cal]

Why is the initial payment being made in three seperate payments over three days?

[Dangerous Dave]

Excellent news.

 

I'm wondering how PLT found the cash when QMP couldn't.

 

Forgive my cynicism.

 

 

MtB

 

 

 

(Edit to get the company abbreviations right!)

 

 

 

Excellent news.

 

I'm wondering how PLT found the cash when QMP couldn't.

 

Forgive my cynicism.

 

 

MtB

 

 

 

(Edit to get the company abbreviations right!)

 

 

Excellent news for who?

 

 

Comedy drama phrases come to my mind.

 

"Never doubted PLM/PLT for a moment" lol

 

"This time next year..We'll all be (????)"

[RLWP]

Why is the initial payment being made in three seperate payments over three days?

 

Cashpoint limit?

 

Richard

[Dangerous Dave]

But what has happened to the outstanding debt that was owed by Quorn. I must be missing something here but the dispute was about the original debt. If this is still outstanding then surely a very bad precident has been set. Do companies just recreate themselves as a new company thus wiping out their debts.

 

 

 

Correct !

[Naughty Cal]

 

Cashpoint limit?

 

Richard

In the days of direct transfer is there a limit to what you can transfer at once?

[RLWP]

In the days of direct transfer is there a limit to what you can transfer at once?

 

Ahh, would it have been funnier if I said hole-in-the-wall machine limit?

 

Richard

[chazzy]

Perhaps Mrs Steadman coughed up the cash like I recall she did for JL.....

[Naughty Cal]

No!

[PaulG]

In the days of direct transfer is there a limit to what you can transfer at once?

Yes. It varies from bank to bank.

Our limit at work is £99K per day, as the bank classes us as "corporate".

If classed as "retail" (which might be likely in the case of a marina) the limit would be £25K per day.

[David Mack]

So in the end CRT bottled it! The message to other marina operators would have been so much stronger if CRT had said something along the lines of:

"Although we have been in discussions with PLT about signing a new NAA, unfortunately the company is unable to fully meet our requirements before the previously announced deadline for closing access to the marina. The closure will therefore go ahead as planned on Monday 14 April. We will continue to negotiate with PLT with a view to signing an agreement in the near future and reopening the marina entrance."

[PaulG]

So in the end CRT bottled it! The message to other marina operators would have been so much stronger if CRT had said something along the lines of:

"Although we have been in discussions with PLT about signing a new NAA, unfortunately the company is unable to fully meet our requirements before the previously announced deadline for closing access to the marina. The closure will therefore go ahead as planned on Monday 14 April. We will continue to negotiate with PLT with a view to signing an agreement in the near future and reopening the marina entrance."

I don't think so. CRT would have gained nothing from blockading the marina.

The right outcome is an operating marina that honours their obligation to pay their fees to CRT.

The marina have "accept[ed] the Trust's terms in full".

The score, as far as I can see, is CRT 1 Marina 0.

[Ssscrudddy]

 

<snip>

 

Congratz.

 

But why are you RoyRollings1 & not just RoyRollings ? Did you already get banned once before, or just stuff up the registration?

 

BTW Welcome to the forum.

Edited April 11, 2014 by Ssscrudddy

[dor]

It will be interesting to see what spin Allan NBW puts on it this time.

[chazzy]

I would put the score as CRT1 Marina 180,000

[bigcol]

I don't think so. CRT would have gained nothing from blockading the marina.

The right outcome is an operating marina that honours their obligation to pay their fees to CRT.

The marina have "accept[ed] the Trust's terms in full".

The score, as far as I can see, is CRT 1 Marina 0.

How can that be, ??? CRT have been ripped of to the tune of £180.000 180 grand !!!! This has not or never will be repaid?,

which Paul Lillie and his cronies have managed to pocket lose what ever.

 

And of he gos again,, another business smug git !! I imagine a pay rise is in order for Paul Lillie

He and the quorn pillings group have just managed to rob CRT of 180 grand, and got clean away with it.

 

CRT 0 Paul Lillie 1

 

Col

Edited April 11, 2014 by bigcol

[Naughty Cal]

I'm not so sure they have got away a it free.

 

They have had to reduce the capacity of the marina, had their bad practices and management thrown wide open into the public domain and had confidence in the outfit slashed.

 

Who here would moor there now?

 

I don't think this is the last we will hear of this matter. And no doubt it will be CRT "fault" when the whole outfit is brought to its knees.

[Hawkmoth]

How can that be, ??? CRT have been ripped of to the tune of £180.000 180 grand !!!! This has not or never will be repaid?,

which Paul Lillie and his cronies have managed to pocket lose what ever.

 

And of he gos again,, another business smug git !! I imagine a pay rise is in order for Paul Lillie

He and the quorn pillings group have just managed to rob CRT of 180 grand, and got clean away with it.

 

CRT 0 Paul Lillie 1

 

Col

My thoughts exactly!

Bob

[Dangerous Dave]

I think that the transfer of monies x 3 is in higher amounts than £25000.

 

We were paid a considerable amount more than that by bank transfer in one afternoon..

 

The matter is of course confidential between Roy clone 1 ,PLT and C&RT..We will never know the exact amount paid to C&RT in way of agreement ,but i'm convinced that C&RT have a result. Something aiming along the amount of £180000

 

It could of course mean that Roy Mk 1 is having a whip round though and cannot pay the full amount of £31000(?) in one go.

 

It is good for the GOOD people occupiers of Pillings Lock Marina and C&RT in the short term,but this time next year i see no future for the TEAM PLT due to the reputation they have brought upon themselves.

 

 

 

 

Yes Paul G it is CRT 1 - PLT(? 0..

Edited April 11, 2014 by Dangerous Dave

[David Mack]

CRT have been ripped of to the tune of £180.000 180 grand !!!! This has not or never will be repaid?,

More than that. By reducing the number of berths, even if PLT do pay the bills this time, CRT's income from Pillings will be 12.5% less than the deal QMH originally signed up to.