Newbie...Trojan t105

[cuthound]

According to this https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2016/09/12/871232/0/en/Global-and-China-Lead-acid-Battery-Industry-Report-2016-2018-Johnson-Controls-is-the-World-s-Largest-Lead-Acid-Battery-Producer-with-a-15-7-Market-Share.html

 

Johnson Controls are the largest lead acid battery manufacturer in the world.

 

However in the area in which I am familiar, critical power (telecommunications, data centres etc), then Yuasa are the common.

[WotEver]

I'm sorry guys, I have absolutely no idea what kind of brain fart made me type Elecsol... they were truly appalling,

 

Let me re-word that post (I've edited the original now)...

 

Why else would Enersys (possibly the world's largest battery manufacturer) select Smartgauge as its ONLY recommended battery monitor?

 

I think you were all sucked in by clever marketing. its a volt meter, just a very expensive one. ...

Sorry mate, but you're talking out of your arse. You typify the 'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing' phrase,

Edited February 22, 2017 by WotEver

[cuthound]

Ah, Enersys, they used to be Hawker Energy, and before that Rolls in the UK.

 

They made the best VRSLA's I have ever experienced (the only ones to last 10 years in a telecommunications environment of up to 45°C on a hot summers day), but as they were 3 times the price of the competition, had rather a low market share.

[WotEver]

On 22/02/2017 at 3:59 PM, cuthound said:

Ah, Enersys, they used to be Hawker Energy, and before that Rolls in the UK.

 

They made the best VRSLA's I have ever experienced (the only ones to last 10 years in a telecommunications environment of up to 45°C on a hot summers day), but as they were 3 times the price of the competition, had rather a low market share.

 

They immodestly refer to themselves thus:

"EnerSys is the global leader in batteries, chargers and accessories for motive, reserve, aerospace and defense applications"

Edited February 24, 2017 by WotEver
Typo

[cuthound]

I note from this, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EnerSys, that they have acquired Yuasa, so they must be one of the largest battery manufacturers now.

 

Strangely they don't include Yuasa in the list of brand names they use, although you will find batteries badged Yuasa in most telephone exchanges in Europe and many data centres.

 

Even stranger is that Yuasa Europe don't mention being acquired by EnerSys in their company history.

 

http://www.yuasa.co.uk/company/history/yuasa-battery-europe-ltd/

 

Edited to add the last bit.

Edited February 22, 2017 by cuthound

[rusty69]

Smartgauge is an over priced voltmeter end of.

Our smartgauge has probably payed for itself by now.The increased battery life due to having a smartgauge, and being able to easily read it on a daily basis makes me much more aware of the battery SOC. Granted you could probably get the same result,but with more effort with a voltmeter,but the cost/benefit in the big scheme of overpriced boaty stuff, its a small price to pay imo.

[MtB]

 

Rubbish.

 

 

It's not rubbish.

 

Mine says 100% when the batteries are at 90%.

 

Mine says 24.8V when the batteries are at 24.5V

Now I know this I can take it into account. But when I first got the Smartgauge, I believed the figures on the display.

[rusty69]

 

 

It's not rubbish.

 

Mine says 100% when the batteries are at 90%.

 

Mine says 24.8V when the batteries are at 24.5V

Now I know this I can take it into account. But when I first got the Smartgauge, I believed the figures on the display.

You should have read the manual!

[nicknorman]

What did you all do before smartgauge mmmmmmmm , voltmeter, hydrometer. I think you were all sucked in by clever marketing. its a volt meter, just a very expensive one. ... Sorry if that grates a bit folks. Invented for his wife..... lightbulb moment.. Oh people will buy this. I do understand the inventer is a very intelligent man. but its flawed in too many ways.

 

You are mistaken. It was designed to be a useful aid for people who didn't understand much about electrics and batteries and wanted a simple "fuel gauge" type display so as to avoid over-discharging their batteries. So it is fine for people who are fairly stupid. But not, it seems, for people who are incredibly stupid.

[MtB]

You should have read the manual!

 

 

Your'e right, the manual itself says the Smartgauge lies!

[rusty69]

 

 

Your'e right, the manual itself says the Smartgauge lies!

I know, I read it!

[cuthound]

Your'e right, the manual itself says the Smartgauge lies!

But did you beleive it

[MtB]

But did you beleive it

 

No. I assumed it was lying.

[system 4-50]

My SmartGauge didn't give a reliable reading for ages. But one day I decided to connect up the wires. I know it says in the manual that you should but a friend told me the manual tell lies so I didn't read it.

[rusty69]

My SmartGauge didn't give a reliable reading for ages. But one day I decided to connect up the wires. I know it says in the manual that you should but a friend told me the manual tell lies so I didn't read it.

Surprised it gave any reading if you didn't connect it. Perhaps thats why its so Smart!

[dmr]

 

You are mistaken. It was designed to be a useful aid for people who didn't understand much about electrics and batteries and wanted a simple "fuel gauge" type display so as to avoid over-discharging their batteries. So it is fine for people who are fairly stupid. But not, it seems, for people who are incredibly stupid.

 

I still don't understand this notion, I've got a degree in 'lectronics and many years experience designing specialist instrumentation and measuring difficult stuff but I love my Smartgage, maybe I understand less about electricity than I think? Between them the Smartgage and a built in digital ammeter tell me almost everything I need to know.

 

.................Dave

[nicknorman]

I still don't understand this notion, I've got a degree in 'lectronics and many years experience designing specialist instrumentation and measuring difficult stuff but I love my Smartgage, maybe I understand less about electricity than I think? Between them the Smartgage and a built in digital ammeter tell me almost everything I need to know.

 

.................Dave

Oh all right then, it was also designed for people who DO understand much about electrics and batteries but seek a simple solution to knowing what their batteries' SoC is without having to resort to clever faff.

[WotEver]

Users have to clever enough to be able to read a manual though... from some of the posts on here that would appear to be its biggest flaw

[rusty69]

Users have to clever enough to be able to read a manual though... from some of the posts on here that would appear to be its biggest flaw

And not install it upside down.

[ditchcrawler]

And not install it upside down.

Why, is it effected by gravity ?

[rusty69]

Why, is it effected by gravity ?

No, but it may me affected in the event of a capsize.

Edited February 22, 2017 by rusty69

[WotEver]

Why, is it effected by gravity ?

All the volts would fall out, silly.

[cereal tiller]

All the volts would fall out, silly.

Unless it was the 'Strine' version

 

CT

[MtB]

Users have to clever enough to be able to read a manual though... from some of the posts on here that would appear to be its biggest flaw

 

 

True.

 

I bought mine believing the hype on here so I installed it expecting the big number on the front to tell me the state of charge.

 

I read the manual but discounted the bits where it says I cannot rely on the readout. I thought that was "defensive engineering" but it turns out it bloody meant it.

[nicknorman]

 

 

True.

 

I bought mine believing the hype on here so I installed it expecting the big number on the front to tell me the state of charge.

 

I read the manual but discounted the bits where it says I cannot rely on the readout. I thought that was "defensive engineering" but it turns out it bloody meant it.

But it has allowed you to easily evaluate the fact that you were losing capacity, and to measure that capacity in conjunction with an AH counter. No other gauge (apart from son-of) can do that. Other SoC gauges have equal or worse accuracy issues and anyway, what actually is SoC? If you are trying to measure something that is not defined, it can't be too surprising that it is inaccurate!