Jrtm Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Not fully finished but almost on part 1 needs a good polish out. All copied from an original. I'm still not 100% happy with my centre join, If any one has an early one can the measure the thickness of the brass joint between the d link and this clip. I've made mine a little narrower but it the thickness I've not got. I took mine apart along time ago and now can't find the middle bit, I have the d link and clip to copy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 I’ve just measured the joining band on one of my originals. The strip is 7/8” wide. Hope this helps. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Mine are slightly different, D bar 1 1/4" across and clip 7/8" across Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Matty, I think he’s talking about the more complex double link where a rolled strip joins the D ring to the clip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, dave moore said: Matty, I think he’s talking about the more complex double link where a rolled strip joins the D ring to the clip Yes that the ones, I've got the simple ones I've got lots of these infact I have 2 sets and a few spares of these its the double link ones I only had 1 of and had to cut it up to make my new ones, jigs are all made to make the hook and the d link but the middle link I can't find. I have photos but no thickness measurements Edited December 16, 2020 by billybobbooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 My callipers make it 1.5mm or 0.06”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, dave moore said: My callipers make it 1.5mm or 0.06”. Thanks I've got 2mm, you have one off the odd backwards ones, i could never work out why some have the middle this way or the flat bit on the other way. I'll stick with 2mm then and see how I get on. Your looked a little narrow too bit like mine was some have a really wide center. Thanks dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) Just measured my originals, the brass link is 2.21mm or 0.087" thick. Photo is an original beside Adrian Brindle repro ones which are 1.28mm. Edited December 16, 2020 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 I suspect that individual differences were down to particular manufacturers. As long as they did the job, what matter? As an aside, I do find folk asking for “ rules “ where things traditional are concerned to be missing the point a little....colours, side of shading are 2 examples that spring to mind in my signwriting field. Although the general layout, for example, would be specified, the actual interpretation was often done to whoever did the job on the day, much like our clips. Back in the day when I taught painting over a weekend, I remember being asked for the “ rule” of how many petals a daisy should have...work round and fill the space was my reply, not the expected one I surmise. Cheers all! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 I’ve just had a look at all of the double style links I have. Without exception, all have the middle section facing the same way, I’ve never seen any with it reversed. I’m interested in how you intend to fold the middle section around the D ring and clip end, I’m sure they were pressed over in the originals. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, dave moore said: I’ve just had a look at all of the double style links I have. Without exception, all have the middle section facing the same way, I’ve never seen any with it reversed. I’m interested in how you intend to fold the middle section around the D ring and clip end, I’m sure they were pressed over in the originals. Dave I have a jig to do this its a steel jig with leather inserts to protect the brass, all parts a fully sanded then polished before bending, then once everything is shaped and then republished. It also allows me not to have to hammer (press) marks and keeps all bends constant flow (no odd flat spots on the bends) I have jigs for the d link and jigs for cutting and for the 2 parts of the link. Everything is hand made, but the jigs help to get everything all the same i know you do get verified parts but I find people these days expect every mm of items to be the same. I did a chimney a while back all hand rolled and hand riveted due to hand riveting each were very slightly different the 3 brass rings and the half round again were wrapped drilled then individually riveted and then slid over and tapped on. They guy I sold and made it for returned it as the rivets as he said (dented and not all smooth) and the gap between the rings was not constant when I measured the ring position spacing there was 1.5mm difference between the 2 gaps between the 3 rings and the top half round was the same gap as the top ring gap. I later sold it and the next buyer was happy. 23 minutes ago, dave moore said: I’ve just had a look at all of the double style links I have. Without exception, all have the middle section facing the same way, I’ve never seen any with it reversed. I’m interested in how you intend to fold the middle section around the D ring and clip end, I’m sure they were pressed over in the originals. Dave If you look at Sarah's on ebay they are the other way around in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 So they are...I live and learn. Again, down to individual manufacturers, I suspect. Personally, I’m tired of the picky pedants, I’m sure that they would have had short shrift long ago.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Rivet Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 It's my understanding that some boatmen carefully opened up the middle sections, turned them round then closed them down again. Then when the chain was hung on the chimney with the hooks inward it looked neater and was easier to polish. It was an ex-boatman that told me this, not certain who but it could have been George Wain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) It doesn't have to be gas mask links, Chimney from Albert & Emma Russon's boat. This is the only working boat I have seen with a "coolie" hat. Pictures that is, not real life. Probably from horse tack chain. Edited December 17, 2020 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 59 minutes ago, Ray T said: It doesn't have to be gas mask links, Chimney from Albert & Emma Russon's boat. This is the only working boat I have seen with a "coolie" hat. Pictures that is, not real life. Probably from horse tack chain. Peacock has the same sort of chain but black iron. I'm trying to see if a local guy will copy a photo of the chain, I but I would say that was a fmc supplied chimney and chain as its the same as on Peacock and both the upper loop and lower loops are the same as the pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 There was a discussion on the forum a while back about black iron twisted link chimney chains. Someone here made up a copy using something like horse track chain spray painted black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, David Mack said: There was a discussion on the forum a while back about black iron twisted link chimney chains. Someone here made up a copy using something like horse track chain spray painted black. I made one from dog choke chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, David Mack said: There was a discussion on the forum a while back about black iron twisted link chimney chains. Someone here made up a copy using something like horse track chain spray painted black. Yes it was Kuckovegia kukavegia, Jim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Ray T said: It doesn't have to be gas mask links, Chimney from Albert & Emma Russon's boat. This is the only working boat I have seen with a "coolie" hat. Pictures that is, not real life. Probably from horse tack chain. There is one of those chains on ebay at the moment for £20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Russon Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Albert and Emma were my Grandparents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Welcome Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Derek R. said: Welcome Graham. I know the format has changed and there are some discrepencies such as the loss of post numbers - can we have them back please? But now I see the 'edit' function has gone. Why? And at the foot of 'juniors' last post (cant give the NUMBER!) there is the statement "2 months later" over a greyed background. I think we are all quite capable of reading the date on the previous post. There was precious little wrong with the previous format, these latest changes are simply unecessary and a little inconvenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, Derek R. said: But now I see the 'edit' function has gone. Why? Not gone, just moved. Edit is behind the three dots top right on each post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, David Mack said: Not gone, just moved. Edit is behind the three dots top right on each post. All I get from those three dots is a menu of "Report" or "Share". No edit facility. Scrub that! I just got an addition pop up : - "Edit". I must have been half asleep. Hang on - I just went back to my previous post made 8hrs ago, and find the 'Edit' facility not there. So there must be a time limit on editing your own post. Is it shown anywhere? How long is it? Edited February 18, 2021 by Derek R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWM Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Derek R. said: All I get from those three dots is a menu of "Report" or "Share". No edit facility. Scrub that! I just got an addition pop up : - "Edit". I must have been half asleep. Hang on - I just went back to my previous post made 8hrs ago, and find the 'Edit' facility not there. So there must be a time limit on editing your own post. Is it shown anywhere? How long is it? I think the edit facility was only available for an hour on the previous incarnation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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