Aylesbury Arm / Basin

[Tuscan]

Who is going to pay for the booking process, ie the staff member involved at head office or locally at a small place like Aylesbury or a small number of VMS in London. I totally recognise that finding a mooring in London or Bath is difficult so perhaps we need a decent starch of mooring to be created with a warden to be 24 hour only if their is a proven need. If we start charging I just think it's the start of two tier boating as once established I can see all popular visitor moorings being charged for by the day as a way for CRT to make up revenue as it's other route of friends has so far failed.

[jenlyn]

What controls are in place art Apsley, then?

 

Apsley is not even a dedicated VM - it is all effectively just a length of towpath with the default 14 day start time.

He's getting mixed up with the smoke controls in the marina.

[LEO]

What controls are in place art Apsley, then?

 

Apsley is not even a dedicated VM - it is all effectively just a length of towpath with the default 14 day start time.

 

Not so much controls on towpath moorings, more like the ones in place in the marina/basin, where moorers and boaters share the same place.

 

Aylesbury basin is similar - a mooring (albeit for general use) but nevertheless surrounded by by residential and commercial properties.

 

The area surrounding the Aylesbury basin has had millions poured into it to make into a premier centre in the town and I don't think overstaying etc will be tolerated, the local authority will push CRT to introduce controls.

 

Not many boats come down the arm and it will be interesting to see how many really want to spend more than a few days in the basin.

 

L

[LEO]

He's getting mixed up with the smoke controls in the marina.

 

Yes that's it, plus other measures (bankside strorage to mention another). I know Aylesbury basin is but a dream for you widebeam chappies...................

[alan_fincher]

 

 

I think it's obvious. You use a booking system when it's available that suits your needs but scoff when it's suggested for others. I find that position feintly ridiculous. I don't wish to sound harsh but sometimes it needs saying.

 

ETA "position"

 

I wish I'd stopped when it was obviousI was already beating my head against a brick wall!

 

A booking system is practical for short events that have large numbers of volunteers giving of their time for free. It doesn't require aid staff, or a service provider to make it happen.

 

What you are proposing nerds to be a commercial arrangement, and it is blindingly obvious to me that the costs would be prohibitive, (I still think there will only be about 6 places in Aylesbury, if the proposed use of some of it by commercial boats comes to fruition).

 

Even if some benefactor would provide it for free, (as they do!), I still think it is a bad idea, because I don't see why you shelling out on a reserved space should give you priority over someone who doesn't. I think if people want to pay for a reserved mooring, it should be an arrangement with a marina or private mooring site, not by taking away towpath space at places where mooring can already be "challenging".

I find it strange if yours is a practical idea that nobody else is jumping in in support of it.

[mark99]

What's the <waterbourne> weed situation down the arm at present? it was, in some sections, like boating through candy floss early this year with trips to weedhatch.

[mark99]

 

I find it strange if yours is a practical idea that nobody else is jumping in in support of it.

 

I don't have the solution I've tabled an idea <albeit to do with the London Issue>. I've not seen any other ideas apart from "it won't work". So we have got no-where. Not one of the respondants has proposed anything else.

 

Except CaRT appear to be doing what has been suggested in London and good on 'em. Provide additional mooring (so not robbing existing spaces) in area's befeft of "pay as you go marina's, enabling more boaters to consider making the trip sharing out resources more equally.

Edited August 9, 2014 by mark99

[cotswoldsman]

 

 

So it's ok to reserve a space for a festival but not ok for joe average boat to want to book a space for cruising/mooring on a journey in an area where he stands virtutally no chance of turning up and finding one?

 

 

This is the bit I am having difficulty with. In the 8 years I have been CCing I have never found myself floating aimlessly in the middle of the canal because I could not find anywhere to moor.

I not you have not answered my question: what do you do if you turn up and find there is a boat on the mooring you reserved?

 

I don't have the solution I've tabled an idea <albeit to do with the London Issue>. I've not seen any other ideas apart from "it won't work". So we have got no-where. Not one of the respondants has proposed anything else.

 

 

I did respond with this great idea of mine but you ignored it. A system where the first boat that turns up after the space is vacated gets the mooring

[mark99]

This is the bit I am having difficulty with. In the 8 years I have been CCing I have never found myself floating aimlessly in the middle of the canal because I could not find anywhere to moor.

I not you have not answered my question: what do you do if you turn up and find there is a boat on the mooring you reserved?

 

Try your luck in Central London. You might get lucky you might not - this barrs people from trying - instead they plan a trip through inner London starting and finishing at the outer reaches.

[cotswoldsman]

 

Try your luck in Central London. You might get lucky you might not - this barrs people from trying - instead they plan a trip through inner London starting and finishing at the outer reaches.

But I have tried London with 2 boats actually though maybe not as easy as some areas in the time we were there we found a mooring every night. Yes a few times it was not where we wanted to be exactly but then we discovered by accident that London has a public transport system so we were always able to go to where we wanted.

[mark99]

But I have tried London with 2 boats actually though maybe not as easy as some areas in the time we were there we found a mooring every night. Yes a few times it was not where we wanted to be exactly but then we discovered by accident that London has a public transport system so we were always able to go to where we wanted.

 

It appears next time you will have the opportunity to prebook near Little Venice. The system that cannot work remember. Just in case your windows get smashed in which apparently is what happens in London.

[jenlyn]

Try your luck in Central London. You might get lucky you might not - this barrs people from trying - instead they plan a trip through inner London starting and finishing at the outer reaches.

I've been into london with my widebeam, never had a problem mooring.

[mark99]

 

I did respond with this great idea of mine but you ignored it. A system where the first boat that turns up after the space is vacated gets the mooring

 

 

That's odd, I replied in the affirmative. So if agreeing with you is ignoring you so be it.

[junior]

How about some stretches of 48hr moorings in London? That would discourage the 'residents' from moving in, and whilst it wouldn't guarantee a mooring for anyone, it is more likely to ensure some regular turnover of boats on those moorings thus increasing the possibility of finding a space.

[cotswoldsman]

How about some stretches of 48hr moorings in London? That would discourage the 'residents' from moving in, and whilst it wouldn't guarantee a mooring for anyone, it is more likely to ensure some regular turnover of boats on those moorings thus increasing the possibility of finding a space.

Just out of interest if CRT are struggling to enforce 14 days how would they manage 48 hour and are you sure it is only what you like to call the residents cause the problem? When I was down in London in January mooring was not such a great problem. What happens to these residents in January?

[valrene9600]

Best I could do not having one picture showing all the pontoons

 

 

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[adam1uk]

Try your luck in Central London. You might get lucky you might not - this barrs people from trying - instead they plan a trip through inner London starting and finishing at the outer reaches.

It didn't stop us trying. We arrived at Paddington Basin at 1pm today, and found three or four spaces available -- plus there are four boats on the hospital side which could be breasted up to if necessary.

 

Personally, I'm glad is people don't try, because it means there's more room for those of us who do.

[Tim Lewis]

It didn't stop us trying. We arrived at Paddington Basin at 1pm today, and found three or four spaces available -- plus there are four boats on the hospital side which could be breasted up to if necessary.

 

Personally, I'm glad is people don't try, because it means there's more room for those of us who do.

For some reason breasting up is not allowed in the basin!

 

Tim

[mark99]

It didn't stop us trying. We arrived at Paddington Basin at 1pm today, and found three or four spaces available -- plus there are four boats on the hospital side which could be breasted up to if necessary.

 

Personally, I'm glad is people don't try, because it means there's more room for those of us who do.

 

I visit Paddington quite a lot by train as we've got a building site near there, always have a look at the Basin and only once seen spaces. I'll be having a look this week with the boat however as you never know.

Edited August 9, 2014 by mark99

[cotswoldsman]

 

I visit Paddington quite a lot by train as we've got a building site near there, always have a look at the Basin and only once seen spaces. I'll be having a look this week with the boat however as you never know.

That is weird maybe you need to visit Specsavers I visit Paddington Basin very often as my son's office overlooks the basin and alway see spaces my son recons the only time it fills up is in the winter when most is taken by winter moorings

I should add that timing does have a lot to do with it between 10 am and 2 PM seems to be the best time

Edited August 10, 2014 by cotswoldsman

[junior]

Just to even this up then, I've been in there twice in the last 7 days and there has been no spaces, apart from the one on the bend where the water bubbles out from under the water.

[cotswoldsman]

Just to even this up then, I've been in there twice in the last 7 days and there has been no spaces, apart from the one on the bend where the water bubbles out from under the water.

 

Just to even this out it seems Adam1uk did manage to find a space and there were a few others available like all moorings sometimes you are lucky and sometimes not. Had it been me I would have opted for the bubbles and waited for another space to become available

It didn't stop us trying. We arrived at Paddington Basin at 1pm today, and found three or four spaces available -- plus there are four boats on the hospital side which could be breasted up to if necessary.

 

Personally, I'm glad is people don't try, because it means there's more room for those of us who do.