An advert I don't understand.

[Southern Star]

Here's an advert for a boat on ebay. It's also on Apollo Duck.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/42-Narrowboat-/321381563163?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ad3d57b1b

 

It's advertised on both as a "traditional stern" boat but from the photos it would very much appear to be a cruiser stern boat. It's apparently being sold by the owner. This seems like a bit of a strange misunderstanding, or have I missed something?

[NB Lola]

That's one of them there traditional cruisers!

[Phil Ambrose]

I discovered a long time ago that there are people out there who are clueless about just about everything and using the correct term or name for things is very much a lottery for them, like a chap on our marina who calls his pram canopy a cratch cover among other things.

Phil

[RLWP]

I'm not sure which model of Hurth uses an oil cooler, I'll have to look it up

 

Why would it be registered with the RYA?

 

Richard

MORE: he's selling a Dutch barge too

Edited May 1, 2014 by RLWP

[Southern Star]

It sort of rings an alarm bell with me when an advertiser makes such a fundamental mistake in describing an item for sale, it's as glaring a mistake as describing a saloon car as an estate car. Surely somebody who has owned a narrowboat for several years ought to know what type of stern it has? It's almost as if the advert is a composite of two different adverts, the description from one and the photos from another.

[RLWP]

It reads like an estate agent!

 

Richard

[MHS]

Could this be a scam?

 

He's selling two boats at the same time.

Previous history shows him only selling a few cheap items and a £900 Saab.

 

Bit dodgy if you ask me.

[Tonka]

Don't blame him perhaps he bought it as a traditional to live on

[pete.i]

I'm not sure which model of Hurth uses an oil cooler, I'll have to look it up

 

Why would it be registered with the RYA?

 

Richard

MORE: he's selling a Dutch barge too

Mine does. I have a Hurth HBW 100 and there is a cast ally box that is bolted to the flat side of the gearbox that the raw water passes through on its way to the engine cooling system. it's not an oil cooler in the "normal" sense it draws heat away from the whole gearbox which in turn cools the oil cos Hurths like to run cool I'm told.

 

 

 

 

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Pete

 

HHMM dunno why some of my pictures show and others do not oh well.

Edited May 1, 2014 by pete.i

[sassan]

It's a typo. It's supposed to be "Traditional, stern narrowboat". It won't put up with your hippy nonsense!

[arbutus]

I'm not sure which model of Hurth uses an oil cooler, I'll have to look it up

 

Why would it be registered with the RYA?

 

Richard

MORE: he's selling a Dutch barge too

I assume “registered with the RYA” means that the seller obtained a Hull Identification Number (HIN) from the RYA, which allows the boat to be CE marked and therefore can be legally sold within the first 5 years of completion within the European market.

The RYA are the people who dish these out for the UK if you are a self builder or, as in my case, have the hull built by one company and the fit out done by paying a few different people to do it.

Not sure whether it’s called a Craft of Hull number these days i.e. HIN or CIN.

[Bettie Boo]

Here's an advert for a boat on ebay. It's also on Apollo Duck.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/42-Narrowboat-/321381563163?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ad3d57b1b

 

It's advertised on both as a "traditional stern" boat but from the photos it would very much appear to be a cruiser stern boat. It's apparently being sold by the owner. This seems like a bit of a strange misunderstanding, or have I missed something?

Wow if that's a trad stern, we got ripped off. Our trad stern is about 4 ft shorter than that!

[Alan de Enfield]

Wow if that's a trad stern, we got ripped off. Our trad stern is about 4 ft shorter than that!

 

You got your 4 foot in the other dimension

[Bettie Boo]

 

You got your 4 foot in the other dimension

LOL

[alan_fincher]

It's a formless, boxy thing, with a very uninteresting hull shape, particularly at the bow, which also appears to lack a proper stem post. The cabin sides look far too vertical for serious use.

 

Buying LPG in those tiny 3.6Kg cylinders is also ridiculously expensive. That's Camping Gaz size - not even the smallest (6Kg) Calor, and not freely available to change over at canalside suppliers - an absolutely bonkers choice for narrow boat use, but means that the normal thought processes that go into a sensible shell ust not hav happened.

 

As no builder is named, and as it looks not even anything like as nice as the boats produced by a typical "budget" builder, my take is that it was probably not built by a recognised one.

 

It also makes no sense in 2010 to build a very basic modern leisure narrow boat, and give it raw water cooling.

 

This would be very firmly on an "avoid" list for me - you can but something far nicer and with a proper pedigree for that kind of cash.

[MtB]

Oi, both my boats use those stupid 3.9kg gas bottles!

 

The cost of gas pales in insignificance compared to the cost of boating as a whole. That's my rationalisation anyway

 

MtB

[Southern Star]

I've found another highly suspicious advert

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NARROW-BOAT-FOR-SALE-40F-CANAL-RIVER-NARROWBOAT-LIVING-HOUSE-BOAT-LIVEABOARD-/141249794836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item20e324d314

 

Remarkably cheap, the advert appears to have been witten in Nigerian English and the seller is keen to stress

 

BOAT NOT NEED SURVEY,BECAUSE WAS INSPECTED

BY SPECIALIST AND IS IN GOOD CONDITION.

-NOT NEED TO BE WELDED

[RLWP]

I'd say that one was genuine, but a poor advert. More photos of the boat would be a good start

 

Richard

[Athy]

 

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As no builder is named, and as it looks not even anything like as nice as the boats produced by a typical "budget" builder, my take is that it was probably not built by a recognised one.

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Yes, Dave Bowman of Dewsbury is named as the builder, though whether many would recognise his name of not I don't know.

The shape does look ungainly - a right little bridge-clouter I would suggest. But in fairness, the interior looks well maintained and comfortable.

 

 

[alan_fincher]

Yes, Dave Bowman of Dewsbury is named as the builder, though whether many would recognise his name of not I don't know.

 

Missed that.

 

The (former) "Jim Shead" boat list shows no boats built by this "builder", and a Google search doesn't show much other than an attempt to sell the same boat (apparently called Josephine), for £6,000 more.

 

Advert linky

[Tesla]

I've found another highly suspicious advert

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NARROW-BOAT-FOR-SALE-40F-CANAL-RIVER-NARROWBOAT-LIVING-HOUSE-BOAT-LIVEABOARD-/141249794836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item20e324d314

 

Remarkably cheap, the advert appears to have been witten in Nigerian English and the seller is keen to stress

 

BOAT NOT NEED SURVEY,BECAUSE WAS INSPECTED[/size]

BY SPECIALIST AND IS IN GOOD CONDITION.

-NOT NEED TO BE WELDED[/size]

And

 

DREAMERS AND INSOLS WITHOUT MONEY PLEASE DO NOT WASTE MY TIME.

 

Talk about putting the boot in...

[Athy]

The text of the advert does have considerable charm (perhaps an East European seller?), as does the boat, though I suspect that the Teddesley front end superstructure design is somewhat trippable-overable when you're getting on board.

 

But what can an "insol" be? Some kind of arsol? Something you put in your shoes?

 

With all its new equipment it could be a bargain for somebody, though I should think that the "solid wood stove" must be used with caution!

[RLWP]

The missing bit from insol is, of course, vent

 

Richard

[Athy]

The missing bit from insol is, of course, vent

 

Richard

I had thought of that possibility but, in view of the zaniness of the description as a whole, it's no more than a possibility. But he could have coined a new word, yes.

[Southern Star]

I would just be wary of any seller who stated in his advert that I didn't need a survey. Surely that would be up to me?