Dispute at Pillings

[RLWP]

 

Lets hope the police read this thread, then get back to Paul Lillie and have a word about wasting police time.

 

And maybe something about funds and how they were spent?

 

Richard

[Pen n Ink]

So that's why he went on holiday.

 

To get away from the stress of this discussion.

 

 

 

 

I think not.

[Woodstock]

 

Lets hope the police read this thread, then get back to Paul Lillie and have a word about wasting police time

Hasn't PL got more to worry about at the moment? Shame he's not such a sensitive soul when dealing with his customers. Beggars belief- I'm glad I'm in an adjacent council else I would complain about wasted tax payers money

[Ssscrudddy]

It's no good i cannot keep this to myself any longer...

 

Yesterday afternoon i had a visit from the Police on a basis that a complaint had been made to them by a Mr Paul Lilie..

 

It is alleged that i have been making threatening malicious comments on a forum known as CWDG (??)!

 

The information sheet went on that PL has found this threatening and has caused him distress!

 

No further action is going to be made but the evidence may be used against me if i was to continue(?) such actions!

 

I don't know how i managed to keep a straight face with the interview!

The Policeman was fine with me and when asking the backgound to this i suggested to read page 3 of the "dispute at Pillings Lock Marina" on the CWDG or spend a few hours reading through the thread and form his own opinion of such a stinker of a person!

If they are anything like the coppers near me they wont bother reading anything. Shows they already didnt because they paid you a visit first instead of reading this thread, ie investigating the complaint.

Perhaps you should put in a complaint to the police about about PL making false accusations about you to them, thereby getting them to harrass you on his behalf.

[gaggle]

Was it posted by someone here that his partners father is something of a higher rank than constable in the force that covers the marina district , also that he manages to have a police presence to escort those he has took a dislike to from the marina , very odd he can get such attention paid to his minor complaints.

[johnlillie]

just seen a copy of the accounts etc from the liquidators, and all the leaseholders are listed as unsecured creditors, so at first glance, it looks as though they have all been well and truly shafted. I do feel really very sorry for those that I was involved with, it was not meant to end like this at all. I can only say that the solicitor involved with drawing up the leases did not do a particularly thorough job, as I for one, thought that the leaseholders would be "bomb proof" in such an event.

[Stilllearning]

Was it posted by someone here that his partners father is something of a higher rank than constable in the force that covers the marina district , also that he manages to have a police presence to escort those he has took a dislike to from the marina , very odd he can get such attention paid to his minor complaints.

I think it's young Roy Rollings' dad that is a senior copper.

[Dangerous Dave]

I think it's young Roy Rollings' dad that is a senior copper.

 

 

Yes that is correct..Chief Supt Chris Rollings.

 

I did mention that to the Leicester Police when i didn't receive a court hearing notification in one of our disputes..

My post was managed by PLM at the time due to having a post box there.

 

I remember once that i reported a member of the public letting his dog mess on site..I took his number and somehow Roy R or P Lillie had access to DVLC vehicle records to trace the owner and have words with him on the phone

just seen a copy of the accounts etc from the liquidators, and all the leaseholders are listed as unsecured creditors, so at first glance, it looks as though they have all been well and truly shafted. I do feel really very sorry for those that I was involved with, it was not meant to end like this at all. I can only say that the solicitor involved with drawing up the leases did not do a particularly thorough job, as I for one, thought that the leaseholders would be "bomb proof" in such an event.

 

 

Yes our senior informant has forwarded the information to me also..

I cannot forward this as it contains personal information of leaseholders.

 

I agree the solicitors didn't do a good job as if we had continued to pursue our disputes there were lots of holes in our favour regarding PL's antics!!

 

Hope that the first impression read of the document is not so and the remaining leaseholders are secure financially or in occupancy

[Paul G2]

just seen a copy of the accounts etc from the liquidators, and all the leaseholders are listed as unsecured creditors, so at first glance, it looks as though they have all been well and truly shafted. I do feel really very sorry for those that I was involved with, it was not meant to end like this at all. I can only say that the solicitor involved with drawing up the leases did not do a particularly thorough job, as I for one, thought that the leaseholders would be "bomb proof" in such an event.

 

Hi John,

 

When you say "leaseholders", who specifically are you referring to? Aside from any "transient traffic", there are essentially three types of moorers at PLM:

 

1) Those people who bought the long-term leases and pre-paid them in full;

 

2) Those who are on an annual lease and have pre-paid for a year.

 

3) Those who are on a lease and pay month-to-month.

 

Are you saying that ALL of these leaseholders are listed as unsecured creditors, including category one? It's been said here a number of times the UK laws protect the leaseholders in that the lease stays with the land and remains valid.

 

I'm confused. Are you now saying that those who purchased the long-term-leases will lose their money and their mooring?

[johnlillie]

all the people that took out a long lease of around 25 to 30 years, are listed as unsecured creditors, the smallest amount is around £18k, and one person is in it for around £30k! In all, there are 20 such people listed, as well as the usual, like the crt.

[Dangerous Dave]

all the people that took out a long lease of around 25 to 30 years, are listed as unsecured creditors, the smallest amount is around £18k, and one person is in it for around £30k! In all, there are 20 such people listed, as well as the usual, like the crt.

 

 

Only one secured creditor Mr Steadman!

 

His address is listed ...

 

Book price of Marina as an asset is £2m...Bargain !!If it is for sale..

[matty40s]

I wonder how long his holiday is going to be......Ronnie Biggs enjoyed the sun for quite a while.

 

Perhaps all those moorers who felt at ease after the meeting might start to realise how deeply they have been shafted now.

[Dangerous Dave]

I wonder how long his holiday is going to be......Ronnie Biggs enjoyed the sun for quite a while.

 

Perhaps all those moorers who felt at ease after the meeting might start to realise how deeply they have been shafted now.

 

 

Shame not all the moorers are not members on here then for the whole truth

[JerryP]

 

 

Shame not all the moorers are not members on here then for the whole truth

 

Whatever the outcome there will always be the marina lovers ,the ones who never move their boats ,and the ones who use the restaurant.

[MtB]

I suggest the long term leaseholders on that list get back to the solicitors who acted for each of them in their purchases. I cannot imagine all 20 firms of solicitors screwed up and left their clients exposed to such losses.

 

Those solictiors each need to be firing off stiff letters to the IP explaining why their clients are not creditors, or alternatively prepare some pretty uncomfortable explanations to their clients about come how come they are.

 

 

MtB

[Dangerous Dave]

I suggest the long term leaseholders on that list get back to the solicitors who acted for each of them in their purchases. I cannot imagine all 20 firms of solicitors screwed up and left their clients exposed to such losses.

 

Those solictiors each need to be firing off stiff letters to the IP explaining why their clients are not creditors, or alternatively prepare some pretty uncomfortable explanations to their clients about come how come they are.

 

 

MtB

 

 

Yes you are right..although for myself i did not engage a solicitor for the purchase..This was advised by Paul Lillie,as stated "we have sold a number of leases here and there doesn't seem to be any point in going through it all again".

 

I wonder how many others didn't take the services of a solicitor

[carlt]

 

 

Yes you are right..although for myself i did not engage a solicitor for the purchase..

I must confess to being truly gobsmacked.

 

I would have had a solicitor going over an unusual lease such as this with a fine toothed comb in order to identify any pitfalls (such as the freeholder going belly up).

[Stilllearning]

Excuse my ignorance, but does being an unsecured creditor mean that their leases on parking/mooring places are no longer valid?

We thought about the leases there, as advertised by ABNB, and said that if we went down that route we would be employing a solicitor. So glad we didn't.

[carlt]

Excuse my ignorance, but does being an unsecured creditor mean that their leases on parking/mooring places are no longer valid?

I would hope that, should the marina change hands, the leases would be transferred over seamlessly.

 

This appears not to be the case and a solicitor should really have flagged this up.

[Dangerous Dave]

I must confess to being truly gobsmacked.

 

I would have had a solicitor going over an unusual lease such as this with a fine toothed comb in order to identify any pitfalls (such as the freeholder going belly up).

 

 

Yes i put my hands up for being so stupid..

 

As it happens though we had a lucky escape due to surrendering our leases after our conflict with PL.

[johnlillie]

I wonder how many of the lessees who thought the sun shone out of his backside still think so now? I can remember from just before I left, there were one or two in that category

[Stilllearning]

Out of interest, are other forum members looking at things like Companies House information, certain people's public facebook pages, etc?

As far as can be ascertained ATM, PL still seems to be listed as Director of PLM.

[Paul G2]

I suggest the long term leaseholders on that list get back to the solicitors who acted for each of them in their purchases. I cannot imagine all 20 firms of solicitors screwed up and left their clients exposed to such losses.

 

Those solictiors each need to be firing off stiff letters to the IP explaining why their clients are not creditors, or alternatively prepare some pretty uncomfortable explanations to their clients about come how come they are.

 

 

MtB

 

So, Mike, has been saying all along that, IF the long-term leases were properly registered with the Land Registry (or some such proper authority), that the leases essentially "attach" to the land and will continue in force with any new owner. I don't recall anyone contesting that claim and I thusly assumed it was correct - that what MTB said about the leases was correct.

 

In light of what John wrote above, does this mean that the leases were not properly registered or not properly written or what? MTB was talking like registering the lease would be pro-forma in transactions like these. So, how did it slip past 20 people and a good number of solicitors that something wasn't right here? Seriously, when the boilerman knows that a lease should be registered, dontcha think your solicitor should too?

 

And how does listing the people who have pre-paid for a long-term lease as creditors jibe with the most recent letters from PLM management claiming that everything is just rosy? If Steadman/Lillie plan on trying to claim that the pre-paid mooring leases are no longer valid, that's hardly "Life will go on like nothing happened" for those who invested their savings in a PLM lease.

[Stilllearning]

According to linkedin, young Roy Rollings' dad is no longer in the Police, since December 2012. Now works in the housing sector.

Just so we all know.

[Phantasm]

It's no good i cannot keep this to myself any longer...

 

Yesterday afternoon i had a visit from the Police on a basis that a complaint had been made to them by a Mr Paul Lilie..

 

It is alleged that i have been making threatening malicious comments on a forum known as CWDG (??)!

 

The information sheet went on that PL has found this threatening and has caused him distress!

 

No further action is going to be made but the evidence may be used against me if i was to continue(?) such actions!

 

I don't know how i managed to keep a straight face with the interview!

The Policeman was fine with me and when asking the backgound to this i suggested to read page 3 of the "dispute at Pillings Lock Marina" on the CWDG or spend a few hours reading through the thread and form his own opinion of such a stinker of a person!

 

The meaning of malicious is - hateful, spiteful, malevolent, mean, nasty, cruel, wicked. Looking back I cannot see any posts where you have used any words falling into these categories.

 

Had it been me, however, I would have said that he is an egotistical, supercilious, condescending, arrogant, rude, bad mannered, disrespectful individual, who likes nothing better than provoking and irritating people and inflaming the situation until it gets out of hand and then calling the police and making a complaint.

 

He is a grown man in the business world for heaven’s sake, not a little boy in nursery crying “please miss, they’re being horrible to me”.

 

All I can say is GROW UP AND MAN UP, AND STOP BEING SUCH A WIMP

 

I sincerely hope that he is not using a serving police officer to find information. Even though Roy is embroiled in all of this his father can’t be that silly as to jeopardise his job.

 

I know I’ll be banned and the post removed by the mods, but you know what, it’s worth it!!! So goodbye all, it’s been a blast!!!