Dispute at Pillings

[Pillingsmoorer]

I'm beginging to think that Pillingsmoorer isn't a berth holder at all at the Marina as this video is well known to the site and much commented on!

I'm beginging to think that Pillingsmoorer isn't a berth holder at all at the Marina as this video is well known to the site and much commented on!

think what you like -I am.

 

As I said I could not load the video as it would not let me load it. All I saw was a comment about a half naked director. I didn't for one second think it was the promo video which you quite correctly said is well known. I was expecting some semi porn video!! I think somebody on here was getting a little excited.

 

Just re read the post and the person said almost naked!!!

I cannot believe that anyone is still moored in pillings or are they waiting for their advance mooring payment to expire before they leave .THE logical solution is to all leave then hopefully a new buyer will buy the freehold and the marina which then may become what it should have been all along a thriving business that pays its way and charges boaters the local area rates and treats them as customers with respect.the people who will suffer are the workshop staff who are the only ones that I have heard good reports about.

 

Why not they are not closing it off until April. If at all....

Edited February 17, 2014 by Pillingsmoorer

[MtB]

Why not they are not closing it off until April. If at all....

 

Have you ever seen 270 boats try to get out through a 12ft wide exit all at the same time?

 

 

MtB

[RLWP]

 

Have you ever seen 270 boats try to get out through a 12ft wide exit all at the same time?

 

 

MtB

 

You are going to love the BCN challenge

 

Richard

Edited February 17, 2014 by RLWP

[Pillingsmoorer]

Have you ever seen 270 boats try to get out through a 12ft wide exit all at the same time?

 

 

MtB

 

True I will wait a bit then!!

[David Mack]

Amazingly Mr Roy Rollings profile / experience shown on Linkedin has been amended in the last hour - there doesn't appear to be any mention of PL now

 

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/roy-rollings/43/416/445

 

Not entirely (unless it has changed again in the last 11 days). On that Linkedin page, if you click on "Websites - Company Website" it takes you to the PLM website.

[Alan de Enfield]

 

Not entirely (unless it has changed again in the last 11 days). On that Linkedin page, if you click on "Websites - Company Website" it takes you to the PLM website.

 

It orginally had quite a 'personal speel' about how long he had worked there, the roles he had undertaken, how he built up a good relationship with both suppliers and customers and was doing a wonderful job etc etc.

 

It dissapeared within a few minutes of the link being first posted here.

[b0atman]

must be peaceful now paul is away on holiday .How many boats are actually still in pillings .

Regarding when pillings was first opened where was the 10% of BW moorings lost from ? (definitely not bishop meadows)

[MtB]

must be peaceful now paul is away on holiday .How many boats are actually still in pillings .

Regarding when pillings was first opened where was the 10% of BW moorings lost from ? (definitely not bishop meadows)

 

A list of the lost moorings has been posted a couple of times at least.

 

Last time was about a week ago so you might find it with a trawl back through the thread.

 

MtB

[Alan de Enfield]

must be peaceful now paul is away on holiday .How many boats are actually still in pillings .

Regarding when pillings was first opened where was the 10% of BW moorings lost from ? (definitely not bishop meadows)

 

I dont think BW (C&RT) ever agreed to close 10% of their moorings when Pillings opened.

[MtB]

 

I dont think BW (C&RT) ever agreed to close 10% of their moorings when Pillings opened.

 

Yes I think the list contains about twelve lost moorings, but we don't know it is definitive. BW may have removed moorings tens or hundreds of miles away to comply with their commitment. We just don't know.

 

It would make a good, tightly defined FOI question if anyone is that interested in finding out.

 

MtB

 

 

Eidt to add: I mis-read your comment initially. Are you saying you think the 10% online mooring reduction commitment was not in existence when the Pillings NAA was drawn up? The must have been some sort of commitment for the known list of moorings to have been removed. Even if only 10 were cancelled at £1k a year each, that's still an £80k hole in the BW/CRT budget the NAA was supposed to fill.

Edited February 18, 2014 by Mike the Boilerman

[Alan de Enfield]

Ok - nobody 'bit' yet

 

I think BW's agreement was actually to close the number equivalent to 10% of the Pillings mooring capacity - NOT 10% of BWs moorings

[dor]

Well, just to put it in again to save trying to find it in this thread, here is BW's list of online moorings removed for PL:

 

Pillings Lock 315

 

River Soar Navigation Cranfleet Towpath - L1 Moorings 8

Hazelford Lock - L1 Moorings 4

Newark Town - L1 moorings 3

Tamworth Road - L1 moorings 2

Lime Kilns - L1 Moorings 5

Smeeton Westerby Trans Moorings 1

Sutton Cheney Wharf - L1 Moorings 2

Market Bosworth - L1 Moorings 4

 

Pillings Lock Total 29

 

Taken from BW's Online mooring review July 2011.

Edited February 18, 2014 by dor

[Allan(nb Albert)]

 

I dont think BW (C&RT) ever agreed to close 10% of their moorings when Pillings opened.

This is the current policy (March 2013) -

 

 

The policy of the Canal & River Trust (the Trust) is to reduce on-line moorings within a 30 mile radius of each new marina (or other new off-line moorings) at a ratio of 1:10 within 12 months of the marina opening. We originally intended to implement this through the closure of selected sites, but the main practical way of meeting our commitment is through natural wastage (i.e. berths becoming vacant and subsequently decommissioned).

 

Since November 2009, the management of our on-line moorings business has been the responsibility of a specialist team. This has allowed us to centralise, review and cleanse relevant data. In July 2010 we completed a review of all the reductions previously recorded in on-line moorings since the commencement date of our on-line mooring reduction policy. We have taken as a baseline the boats moored on all our directly managed sites at April 2006.

 

Further reviews have been undertaken with the Trust redistributing some berth reductions, re-instating some berths and closing an equal number elsewhere within the required area in order to protect mooring site profitability – this will continue into the future. Such re-distribution is monitored by the Trust’s boating trade team to ensure continued compliance with our commitment. The latest statement therefore may include some amendments to previously published closures, however the overall number of closures remains the same, plus the closures required over the last 12 months due to new off-line moorings being opened.

 

The table below details the year in which closures were made, the name of the marina, the number of off-line berths created, the navigation on which the marina is located and the number of on-line closures. It then details where the on-line moorings have been closed and the number of berths closed at each location.

 

The dependence upon natural wastage is so far proving effective, but it obviously does not have the visual impact that full site closures would have.

 

 

This is a list of sites where moorings were removed in 2008 for Pillings -

 

Cranfleet Towpath - L1 Moorings

Hazelford Lock - L1 Moorings

Newark Town - L1 moorings

Tamworth Road - L1 moorings

Lime Kilns - L1 Moorings

Smeeton Westerby Trans Moorings

Sutton Cheney Wharf - L1 Moorings

Market Bosworth - L1 Moorings

 

Interestingly, I recall that older versions of this document detail how many berths were removed at each site. If anybody is particularly interested, I will try and track down a copy.

 

**** Edited to say, I have cross posted with dor who actually has the numbers to hand.

Edited February 18, 2014 by Allan(nb Albert)

[Alan de Enfield]

Allan - read again what Boatman and I wrote.

[MtB]

Well, just to put it in again to save trying to find it in this thread, here is BW's list of online moorings removed for PL:

 

Pillings Lock 315

 

River Soar Navigation Cranfleet Towpath - L1 Moorings 8

Hazelford Lock - L1 Moorings 4

Newark Town - L1 moorings 3

Tamworth Road - L1 moorings 2

Lime Kilns - L1 Moorings 5

Smeeton Westerby Trans Moorings 1

Sutton Cheney Wharf - L1 Moorings 2

Market Bosworth - L1 Moorings 4

 

Pillings Lock Total 29

 

Taken from BW's Online mooring review July 2011.

 

Thank you.

 

Even though there are only 8 sites on the list, the numbers removed from each mooring shows almost the full 10% of Pillings capacity was removed. Definitely time to put them back as the price of on-line moorings has rocketed since their removal and CRT could do with the income.

 

There seems to be no reason not to restore them either given the Pillings NAA has been revoked, except that failure to do so suggests CRT are anticipating putting a new NAA in place.

 

MtB

 

 

 

(Edited because I can't count!)

Edited February 18, 2014 by Mike the Boilerman

[b0atman]

I think that now CRT are the guardians that the 10% rule should be scrapped

.CRT must revise their long term moorings with regards to limiting number of boats in a continuous line maybe by adding more in a different location, preferably offside so that moorers can have use of bankside and not be blocking towpaths.

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[steven wilkinson]

 

They probably did, the VAT man isn't like CRT, they are on your case within days if late with a VAT return and the associated payment.

 

It was said earlier here that it appeared they picked the most favourable (for them) not to pay! Who could they push the most? CRT!

[Pillingsmoorer]

must be peaceful now paul is away on holiday .How many boats are actually still in pillings .

 

I would say the same as before all this started. Could be wrong though as have not actually counted. A lot of people not bothering to renew there licenses though. No point paying CRT when you don't need to

[Alan de Enfield]

........... A lot of people not bothering to renew there licenses though. No point paying CRT when you don't need to

 

Maybe its just me, but, if this is true it beggars-belief

 

These non-renewing people obviously have no intention in using there boats for anything apart from 'floating flats' and will probably be quite happy to float about in a land-locked lake.

 

When the day of reckoning comes (the pilings go in) what are the folks who actually want to cruise going to do - rush to get a licence and pay a premium (as they will not get the prompt payment discount) or go out without a licence ?

 

Or

 

A new NAA is agreed, all of a sudden the moorers need to be licenced - mass panic and again having to pay a premium to get a licence ( as they wil not get the prompt payment discount)

 

In my mind it just doesnt 'stack-up'.

[matty40s]

I have had several requests for quotes to move boats from Pillings Lock.

[dor]

 

Maybe its just me, but, if this is true it beggars-belief

 

These non-renewing people obviously have no intention in using there boats for anything apart from 'floating flats' and will probably be quite happy to float about in a land-locked lake.

 

When the day of reckoning comes (the pilings go in) what are the folks who actually want to cruise going to do - rush to get a licence and pay a premium (as they will not get the prompt payment discount) or go out without a licence ?

 

Or

 

A new NAA is agreed, all of a sudden the moorers need to be licenced - mass panic and again having to pay a premium to get a licence ( as they wil not get the prompt payment discount)

 

In my mind it just doesnt 'stack-up'.

 

Let's face it, nothing in this whole saga stacks up.

 

As I understand it, a year or two ago PL had quite a high occupancy rate. So how come they "couldn't afford" to pay the NAA payment?

 

I just hope that C&RT find a way to make these crooks pay their way rather than letting them get away with it.

[Pillingsmoorer]

Maybe its just me, but, if this is true it beggars-belief

 

These non-renewing people obviously have no intention in using there boats for anything apart from 'floating flats' and will probably be quite happy to float about in a land-locked lake.

 

When the day of reckoning comes (the pilings go in) what are the folks who actually want to cruise going to do - rush to get a licence and pay a premium (as they will not get the prompt payment discount) or go out without a licence ?

 

Or

 

A new NAA is agreed, all of a sudden the moorers need to be licenced - mass panic and again having to pay a premium to get a licence ( as they wil not get the prompt payment discount)

 

In my mind it just doesnt 'stack-up'.

Why would you not get the prompt payment discount. Surely this is no different to being in a marina where you don't need a license.

I have had several requests for quotes to move boats from Pillings Lock.

I am sure you have. As come April there will be a lot of boats moving out if it gets blocked off. I am pretty sure once it get to mid march there will be some movement at Pillings but the general attitude is why move now the weather is crap, may as we'll wait!

[Alan de Enfield]

Why would you not get the prompt payment discount. Surely this is no different to being in a marina where you don't need a license.

 

I am sure you have. As come April there will be a lot of boats moving out if it gets blocked off. I am pretty sure once it get to mid march there will be some movement at Pillings but the general attitude is why move now the weather is crap, may as we'll wait!

 

Ok - so 1st April comes and you think - "its going to happen I better get a licence"

 

Phone C&RT to pay for your licence.

Its the 1st April (or 2nd or 5th or 14th or whatever you want it to be)

Your licence starts from 1st April so you are not paying in advance - no discount

 

Or

 

Same scenario but you pay, have your licence start 1st May - now you are paying in advance you get the discount but are unlicenced for a month. Now you have to take a 'short term' (visitors) licence - cost depends on length but £100+ probably not unreasonable.

 

If you intend to relicence your boat in April (either because you need to get out, or because there is a new NAA) then you need to renew mid March (to get your discount) - its now getting towards the end of Feb - is it worth the hassle for 1-month

[gaggle]

must be peaceful now paul is away on holiday .How many boats are actually still in pillings .

 

I would say the same as before all this started. Could be wrong though as have not actually counted. A lot of people not bothering to renew there licenses though. No point paying CRT when you don't need to

Yes you would say just that , you dont know who has gone or who has stayed but you know a lot of people are not renewing licence , selective about what you know arnt you chummy.

pinch of salt to be taken with every post you make.

[MtB]

Or

 

Same scenario but you pay, have your licence start 1st May - now you are paying in advance you get the discount but are unlicenced for a month. Now you have to take a 'short term' (visitors) licence - cost depends on length but £100+ probably not unreasonable.

 

OR,

 

Go out on the cut unlicensed for a fortnight. It's not as though CRT are going to do anything about it or even notice, judging by their track record of lightning-fast enforcement, is it?

 

MtB