Shroppie shelf

[5239]

Reminds me of when I visited Brentford,

some bloke was commenting  and mocking us for mooring together. For it were tight to find a spot. 

Turned out his boat was the one through the bridge on it’s own

…the one that’s had been broken into. 
 

 

[Arthur Marshall]

27 minutes ago, IanD said:

You could have waited until they'd gone to bed and then got your trombone out around midnight... 😉 

It did cross my mind.

[jeanb]

9 hours ago, Jerra said:

I use the tube shaped fenders that sink, lowered between the shelf and the boat.  A much reduced gap and no grinding.

What are the tube shaped fenders that sink please? They sound just the ticket for the Shroppie out in the sticks.

[KezzerN]

12 hours ago, jeanb said:

What are the tube shaped fenders that sink please? They sound just the ticket for the Shroppie out in the sticks.

 

 

https://www.midlandchandlers.co.uk/products/ag-rubber-tubular-fender-with-rope-af-014

[Alan de Enfield]

 

The problem with those fenders is that they are not 'fat enough'.

 

The Shroppie shelf is not an exact straight edge and the edge can protrude anything from nothing to (say) 6" in a matter of a few feet.

 

So, you put down one of those 2" diameter fenders near the stern and another near the bow and they hold you off the shelf - but half way down you boat a bit of shelf sticks out a few inches more so is continuously rubbing its way thru your hull - not to bad if you are just staying the night (apart from the graunching noise) but if you are one of those who uses their full 14 days everytime you stop it will not be pleasant.

 

You will need to be moving a few yards every time you tie up, repeat, repeat until you find a boat length where the shelf variation is less than 2".

 

In reality, we found that the only thing that worked "1st time everytime" was wheel barrow / go-cart wheels floating horizontally between the hull and the bankside.

 

 

[LadyG]

I had several of those fenders , the rope on one pulled through straight away, and the rope on another just rubbed though.

The last one, I tested it with a good tug, maybe an extra stop knot, then I led the rope end down and through the strand and back up, its still there, but it's only been a week. I've now used some cheapo thin cord from Lidl to hold most of my fenders in place and to take the wear.

Its very annoying, but the water level keeps changing and the sides seem to be lined with railway track or something similar., or even just stone.

Edited March 14 by LadyG

[5239]

They ought to have a washer on them to stop sliding off,

and I guess they vary in quality,

Gotta say I’ve never bought a fender,

Mine have all been reclaimed one way or other (no..not stolen)

[Jerra]

12 hours ago, jeanb said:

What are the tube shaped fenders that sink please? They sound just the ticket for the Shroppie out in the sticks.

The common "rubber" tubes you see many boats using (often running with them still down).  You will find if they come lose they sink.

 

Similar to this.  Just a simple tube with a rope up the middle.

 

41 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

The problem with those fenders is that they are not 'fat enough'.

 

The Shroppie shelf is not an exact straight edge and the edge can protrude anything from nothing to (say) 6" in a matter of a few feet.

 

So, you put down one of those 2" diameter fenders near the stern and another near the bow and they hold you off the shelf - but half way down you boat a bit of shelf sticks out a few inches more so is continuously rubbing its way thru your hull - not to bad if you are just staying the night (apart from the graunching noise) but if you are one of those who uses their full 14 days everytime you stop it will not be pleasant.

 

You will need to be moving a few yards every time you tie up, repeat, repeat until you find a boat length where the shelf variation is less than 2".

 

In reality, we found that the only thing that worked "1st time everytime" was wheel barrow / go-cart wheels floating horizontally between the hull and the bankside.

 

 

I admit it means a bit of moving up and down the boat to find the points they are needed to be.  I have always managed and only have 3 fenders.

[KezzerN]

57 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

The problem with those fenders is that they are not 'fat enough'.

 

The Shroppie shelf is not an exact straight edge and the edge can protrude anything from nothing to (say) 6" in a matter of a few feet.

 

So, you put down one of those 2" diameter fenders near the stern and another near the bow and they hold you off the shelf - but half way down you boat a bit of shelf sticks out a few inches more so is continuously rubbing its way thru your hull - not to bad if you are just staying the night (apart from the graunching noise) but if you are one of those who uses their full 14 days everytime you stop it will not be pleasant.

 

You will need to be moving a few yards every time you tie up, repeat, repeat until you find a boat length where the shelf variation is less than 2".

 

In reality, we found that the only thing that worked "1st time everytime" was wheel barrow / go-cart wheels floating horizontally between the hull and the bankside.

 

 

 

 

Yep, they didn't work with me where I am now.  It is a pain because I am so far out with the wheelbarrow tyres.  Makes it nigh on impossible for someone with short legs and arms to be doing any work on the boat without the chance of teetering over into the gap.

 

 

40 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I had several of those fenders , the rope on one pulled through straight away, and the rope on another just rubbed though.

The last one, I tested it with a good tug, maybe an extra stop knot, then I led the rope end down and through the strand and back up, its still there, but it's only been a week. I've now used some cheapo thin cord from Lidl to hold most of my fenders in place and to take the wear.

Its very annoying, but the water level keeps changing and the sides seem to be lined with railway track or something similar., or even just stone.

 

 

They were on my boat when I bought it and one has already disappeared into the cut with just the rope left dangling.

 

 

33 minutes ago, 5239 said:

They ought to have a washer on them to stop sliding off,

and I guess they vary in quality,

Gotta say I’ve never bought a fender,

Mine have all been reclaimed one way or other (no..not stolen)

 

 

Yep, so far 'reclaimed' 3 of them that others have obviously lost along the way.  One I found down in some woods alongside the cut at the bottom of a steep slope.

 

 

Edited March 14 by KezzerN

[ditchcrawler]

2 hours ago, 5239 said:

They ought to have a washer on them to stop sliding off,

and I guess they vary in quality,

Gotta say I’ve never bought a fender,

Mine have all been reclaimed one way or other (no..not stolen)

Same here. Stopped collecting now unless they are round the prop

[LadyG]

4 hours ago, 5239 said:

They ought to have a washer on them to stop sliding off,

and I guess they vary in quality,

Gotta say I’ve never bought a fender,

Mine have all been reclaimed one way or other (no..not stolen)

They have a washer but the rope was too thin so the knot too small.

Most of my losses are due to being cut though, I've now got two fenders on the same attachment point so the fender is effectively twice as long.

Edited March 14 by LadyG

[ditchcrawler]

50 minutes ago, LadyG said:

They have a washer but the rope was too thin so the knot too small.

Most of my losses are due to being cut though, I've now got two fenders on the same attachment point so the fender is effectively twice as long.

How ever did you cut them through

[LadyG]

1 hour ago, ditchcrawler said:

How ever did you cut them through

They are on fender eyes on the gunnels, the Rochdale water levels go up and down as much as 24 inches, per day, the boat might catch on a ledge and then tip over, anyway, each fender eye on this inside side has red aldi rope, three are bare, except for a few inches of red rope, I might be able to hear boat scrubbing up and down, but once I'm in the cabin, and its dark, I just give up. 

 

 

[ditchcrawler]

47 minutes ago, LadyG said:

They are on fender eyes on the gunnels, the Rochdale water levels go up and down as much as 24 inches, per day, the boat might catch on a ledge and then tip over, anyway, each fender eye on this inside side has red aldi rope, three are bare, except for a few inches of red rope, I might be able to hear boat scrubbing up and down, but once I'm in the cabin, and its dark, I just give up. 

 

 

I still dont understand how the rope cuts, the fender should stop anything cutting against the rope 

[Jerra]

10 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

I still dont understand how the rope cuts, the fender should stop anything cutting against the rope 

I have been trying to picture what is going on and failed.

[Alan de Enfield]

14 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

I still dont understand how the rope cuts, the fender should stop anything cutting against the rope 

 

3 minutes ago, Jerra said:

I have been trying to picture what is going on and failed.

 

A lot of impossible things happen in her parallel universe.

[ditchcrawler]

29 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

 

A lot of impossible things happen in her parallel universe.

I should have realised that 

[5239]

LadyG, did you cut  the ropes/string yourself when the fenders caught?

🤷‍♀️

 

 

[jeanb]

Thanks for replies. There's usually about six of them submerged behind the bottom gate at Somerton Deep Lock. 

[ditchcrawler]

1 hour ago, jeanb said:

Thanks for replies. There's usually about six of them submerged behind the bottom gate at Somerton Deep Lock. 

That unfortunately is correct 

[Jonny P]

2 hours ago, 5239 said:

LadyG, did you cut  the ropes/string yourself when the fenders caught?

🤷‍♀️

 

 

TBF Glenn you know those fenders are shite.

[MtB]

On 13/03/2025 at 16:17, IanD said:

You could have waited until they'd gone to bed and then got your trombone out around midnight... 😉 

 

One desperately hopes that isn't a euphemism....

 

 

 

[Gybe Ho]

On 13/03/2025 at 15:10, KezzerN said:

 

It was late afternoon when most boats had stopped moving, and they left at 7am the next morning, so I doubt that was what they were thinking.

 

 

Is your boat called "Wine O'clock" or something else that suggests free beer?

[Arthur Marshall]

9 minutes ago, MtB said:

 

One desperately hopes that isn't a euphemism....

 

 

 

Certainly not, though I mostly play euphonium now, and I don't think that's one either, though you're never entirely sure. Mind you, as it's St Pat's on Monday, I'm going to have a bit of a squeeze and some serious fiddle over the weekend...

[dmr]

11 hours ago, Jerra said:

The common "rubber" tubes you see many boats using (often running with them still down).  You will find if they come lose they sink.

 

Similar to this.  Just a simple tube with a rope up the middle.

 

I admit it means a bit of moving up and down the boat to find the points they are needed to be.  I have always managed and only have 3 fenders.

 

These things are the work of the devil and using them is anti-social. When they come off they sink but the rope floats upwards just waiting for a passing prop to collect them. I have taken several out of my weedhatch. The really bad one had wrapped its rope round the skeg so I could not find it down the weedhatch as it sank, but every time we went into reverse it came up and got into the prop. As said above they are good for protecting the baseplate edge when moored against a stone washwall.