London boaters fight for moorings

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, IanD said:

"Six million flies can't be wrong -- eat sh*t!" 😉

 

Pure snobbery. Not everybody is as wealthy as you and/or they just appreciate not getting ripped off for their pub meals.

 

Spoons are not perfect but lots of families enjoy the ability to take their families out for a meal they can actually afford. Especially in the current climate. Our local Spoons is popular too.

 

To deride them as 'eating sh!t' is just so typical of you.

[peterboat]

13 minutes ago, IanD said:

"Six million flies can't be wrong -- eat sh*t!" 😉

Or you are wrong ever considered that?

[IanD]

9 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Or you are wrong ever considered that?

Not where 'spoons is concerned -- have you? 😉

 

(yes I've eaten and drunk in 'spoons on numerous occasions, some are OK, some are rubbish especially service, beer quality and choice varies, the unifying feature is they're cheap, and Tim Martin is an a*sehole...)

Edited July 1, 2022 by IanD

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Or you are wrong ever considered that?

 

God forbid, hell will freeze over before that ever happened.

 

Our local Marston's that opened a couple of years ago is popular too. Its generally slightly more expensive than our Spoons but is also popular. Especially with dog owners as they allow them in certain indoor areas and the beer garden, our local Spoons doesnt allow them anywhere, which of course makes it popular with folk who dont like dogs in pubs.

[peterboat]

37 minutes ago, IanD said:

Not where 'spoons is concerned -- have you? 😉

 

(yes I've eaten and drunk in 'spoons on numerous occasions, some are OK, some are rubbish especially service, beer quality and choice varies, the unifying feature is they're cheap, and Tim Martin is an a*sehole...)

Once again the majority seems to like the places.  Tim is ok I have met him on numerous occasions when I worked for Cornelius, always remembered your name and gave me free tickets for the opening if I was going to be around. I hadn't seen him for I would say 10 years when I bumped into him in Chesterfield, we recognised each other exchanged pleasantries and he sat with us and paid for the food and drinks! That's why he is successful 

[IanD]

51 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Once again the majority seems to like the places.  Tim is ok I have met him on numerous occasions when I worked for Cornelius, always remembered your name and gave me free tickets for the opening if I was going to be around. I hadn't seen him for I would say 10 years when I bumped into him in Chesterfield, we recognised each other exchanged pleasantries and he sat with us and paid for the food and drinks! That's why he is successful 

Is that the same majority as you usually mean i.e. you and your mates?

 

Many of the people I know -- again, probably the majority -- share my opinion of 'spoons and Tim Martin. And going by the number of users of the neverspoons app, so do an awful lot of other people who like good pubs... 😉

 

He's successful because he offers cheap beer and food and populist opinions, which some people value above all else... 😞

[peterboat]

34 minutes ago, IanD said:

Is that the same majority as you usually mean i.e. you and your mates?

 

Many of the people I know -- again, probably the majority -- share my opinion of 'spoons and Tim Martin. And going by the number of users of the neverspoons app, so do an awful lot of other people who like good pubs... 😉

 

He's successful because he offers cheap beer and food and populist opinions, which some people value above all else... 😞

No it isn't, have a look at how fast his chain has grown, hint its not been that rapid, he has planned the growth by providing value for money! I don't expect you as a champagne socialist to understand why people go there, because you can afford not to, many can't, so they go where they know they will be welcome and can afford to have a drink and eat without being ripped off. 

Yesterday spoons was probably the busiest curry house in the UK, also more than likely the cheapest, it might not be the best but I didn't see full plates going back just empty ones. 

I knew nobody in there but a couple asked to share my table as the place was full, so I had a couple of hours of good company with a great stout and good food for not a lot of dosh

[magnetman]

My girls quite like wetherspoons. At 10 and 12 they aren't really supposed to have the beer but occasionally manage to have a thimbleful. 

 

Always comfortable. 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, IanD said:

 

😉

😞

 

1 hour ago, IanD said:

Is that the same majority as you usually mean i.e. you and your mates?

 

Many of the people I know -- again, probably the majority -- share my opinion of 'spoons and Tim Martin. And going by the number of users of the neverspoons app, so do an awful lot of other people who like good pubs... 😉

 

He's successful because he offers cheap beer and food and populist opinions, which some people value above all else... 😞

 

You are now talking what you earlier accused people of eating in his pubs.

 

I don't like the guy or his politics but  can see how people who like you can't as afford to eat in poncy establishments appreciate a Spoons. 

 

You are a snob pure and simple and what makes you worse is the derision you dish out to those less well off than you.

 

Quite despicable really

Edited July 1, 2022 by The Happy Nomad

[IanD]

18 minutes ago, peterboat said:

No it isn't, have a look at how fast his chain has grown, hint its not been that rapid, he has planned the growth by providing value for money! I don't expect you as a champagne socialist to understand why people go there, because you can afford not to, many can't, so they go where they know they will be welcome and can afford to have a drink and eat without being ripped off. 

Yesterday spoons was probably the busiest curry house in the UK, also more than likely the cheapest, it might not be the best but I didn't see full plates going back just empty ones. 

I knew nobody in there but a couple asked to share my table as the place was full, so I had a couple of hours of good company with a great stout and good food for not a lot of dosh

You really should cut out the name-calling, Peter...

 

I understand exactly why people go there, for the reasons I stated and which you've just agreed with -- acceptable (if variable) quality and service but really cheap. If that's what floats your boat, fill your boots 🙂

 

Some people prefer to support better-quality genuine local pubs and restaurants even if they cost more, rather than see Tim Martin driving them out of business. If you think these are ripping people off (so why aren't they rich then? do you know any pub managers?), go to 'spoons. Your choice... 😉

Edited July 1, 2022 by IanD

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, IanD said:

You really should cut out the name-calling, Peter...

 

I understand exactly why people go there, for the reasons I stated and which you've just agreed with -- acceptable (if variable) quality and service but really cheap. If that's what floats your boat, fill your boots 🙂

 

Some people would rather support better-quality genuine local pubs and restaurants even if they cost more, rather than see Tim Martin driving them out of business. If you think these are ripping people off (so why aren't they rich then? do you know any pub managers?), go to 'spoons. Your choice... 😉

 Spoons opening in our local market town resulted in no pub closures.

 

Fact.

[peterboat]

38 minutes ago, IanD said:

You really should cut out the name-calling, Peter...

 

I understand exactly why people go there, for the reasons I stated and which you've just agreed with -- acceptable (if variable) quality and service but really cheap. If that's what floats your boat, fill your boots 🙂

 

Some people prefer to support better-quality genuine local pubs and restaurants even if they cost more, rather than see Tim Martin driving them out of business. If you think these are ripping people off (so why aren't they rich then? do you know any pub managers?), go to 'spoons. Your choice... 😉

I know pub owners and they charge what the market can afford. 

[IanD]

11 minutes ago, peterboat said:

I know pub owners and they charge what the market can afford. 

And if that isn't enough to make the business viable -- because "what the market can afford" is defined by 'spoons, according to you -- they go bust and close down.

 

End result if you're not careful is a 'spoons-only desert, but I guess you'd be happy with that... 😞

Edited July 1, 2022 by IanD

[Stilllearning]

13 minutes ago, peterboat said:

I know pub owners and they charge what the market can afford. 

WTF has this got to do with moorings in London?

[IanD]

1 minute ago, Stilllearning said:

WTF has this got to do with moorings in London?

Absolutely nothing, Peter got onto his usual "I luv 'spoons" hobby horse a few hours ago and is still riding it... 😉

[peterboat]

23 minutes ago, IanD said:

And if that isn't enough to make the business viable -- because "what the market can afford" is defined by 'spoons, according to you -- they go bust and close down.

 

End result if you're not careful is a 'spoons-only desert, but I guess you'd be happy with that... 😞

Richard in Victoria quays charges plenty for his beer, he provides music as well but his beer isn't cheap, his customers are happy to pay so he charges as much as they will pay.

Ian a lad I went to school, with has a number of pubs, I have drank and ate in all of them,  the last one was in the middle of a council estate, the food and drink was no better or worse than his most expensive pub in a lovely village, but it was a lot cheaper he charges what his customers will pay

Edited July 1, 2022 by peterboat

[IanD]

15 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Richard in Victoria quays charges plenty for his beer, he provides music as well but his beer isn't cheap, his customers are happy to pay so he charges as much as they will pay.

Ian a lad I went to school, with has a number of pubs, I have drank and ate in all of them,  the last one was in the middle of a council estate, the food and drink was no better than his most expensive pub in a lovely village, but it was a lot cheaper he charges what his customers will pay

 

No business can run at a loss for any length of time, unless it's subsidised by other parts of the business.

 

Since you know Sheffield you're presumably aware that there are plenty of excellent and not-too-expensive 'spoon-free pubs there (e.g. Shakespeare's, Kelham Island, Fat Cat, Sheffield Tap, Bar Stewards, Fagan's, Dog & Partridge, The Perch...), all with plenty of customers -- in fact I drank in quite a few of them last month when we came up for a weekend of dance, song and general merriment. Didn't go in a 'spoons all weekend... 😉

Edited July 1, 2022 by IanD

[peterboat]

1 minute ago, IanD said:

 

No business can run at a loss for any length of time, unless it's subsidised by other parts of the business.

 

Since you know Sheffield you're presumably aware that there are plenty of excellent and not-too-expensive pubs there (e.g. Shakespeare's, Kelham Island, Fat Cat...), all with plenty of customers -- in fact I drank in quite a few of them last month when we came up for a weekend of dance, song and general merriment. Didn't go in a 'spoons all weekend... 😉

I know them but if I drink in Sheffield it's at the Dorothy Pax  Richard's place. Food its wherever I fancy some of the best curries are at the Whicker arches 

[IanD]

1 minute ago, peterboat said:

I know them but if I drink in Sheffield it's at the Dorothy Pax  Richard's place. Food its wherever I fancy some of the best curries are at the Whicker arches 

Also not a 'spoons. I rest my case... 😉

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, IanD said:

Absolutely nothing, Peter got onto his usual "I luv 'spoons" hobby horse a few hours ago and is still riding it... 😉

 

It takes two to tango.

 

Just another dose of hypocrisy from you.

[Jerra]

1 hour ago, The Happy Nomad said:

 Spoons opening in our local market town resulted in no pub closures.

 

Fact.

The same here.  In fact there have been a couple of new pubs opened since the 'spoons opened.

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, IanD said:

Also not a 'spoons. I rest my case... 😉

 

Not quite. Nobody has suggested there are not other pubs that can offer good to excellent food, often better than some Spoons, that completely misrepresents the counter point being made  to your assertion.

[peterboat]

3 hours ago, IanD said:

Also not a 'spoons. I rest my case... 😉

But it could be in a spoons, if that is what I fancy. However the curries down by the arches are very good and inexpensive 

[Paul C]

So, going back to the OP, does anyone have an example (photos would be very useful) of a mooring position which CRT are going to label a "no mooring" place for eg safety reasons, but they think its wrong to do so and okay to moor there? I believe that's what the original protesting was all about. Seen some dodgy mooring today, nothing you can't drive past but still.....it just reminded me of this thread.....

[Midnight]

6 hours ago, IanD said:

Also not a 'spoons. I rest my case... 😉

Spoons vary quite a bit from place to place. As it happens here in West Yorkshire there are some very good ones. Brighouse is exceptional. I can afford to drink where I wish but visit spoons often because they offer a great range of beers and good deals on food. There are also some excellent pubs around here but the price of a pint isn't such a consideration.