Another Red Diesel Threat

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Richard red diesel going doesn't matter to me I don't use it, and being selfish and not caring about those that need to, why should I?

Fixed that for you Mr. Boat..

[peterboat]

11 minutes ago, The Happy Nomad said:

Fixed that for you Mr. Boat..

Really? you have a serious chip on your shoulder I maybe care about pollution clearly you don't ! I made my choice when it started to become clear that fossil fuels are very bad for the world and it would seem us. You could do the same but for some reason you would rather have a go at me for making the effort 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Really? 

 

Yes.

 

 

[MtB]

26 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Really? you have a serious chip on your shoulder I maybe care about pollution clearly you don't ! I made my choice when it started to become clear that fossil fuels are very bad for the world and it would seem us. You could do the same but for some reason you would rather have a go at me for making the effort 

 

So what do you suggest farmers use for fuel to plough their fields now, not at some indeterminate point in the future?

 

Solar powered tractors? 

 

 

[TheBiscuits]

2 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

So what do you suggest farmers use for fuel to plough their fields now, not at some indeterminate point in the future?

 

Solar powered tractors? 

 

 

A is for 'orses ...

[MtB]

Beef or mutton....

 

[Richard10002]

52 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Richard red diesel going doesn't matter to me I don't use it, and have said from the beginning it would go.  My point is cleaner fuels are available and removing the cheap alternative is the only way to spur on the use of them. The climate situation is serious and because this government is taking the steps needed to help Lowe CO2 we are all whining about it.

It's not all about you Peter, and your point is both valid and clear.

 

However, you gloss over my points which were:

 

1) You blamed the Labour Party for something, but chose not to blame the Tory Party for the same thing, so somewhat disingenuous and hypocritical.

 

2) There were lots of people using the EU treatment of red diesel as a big and cost increasing issue, that would not have happened had we "been in control". Now that Brexit has happened, it seems that our government is keen to reinforce the EU treatment of diesel, which makes it as much of a non issue, as far as Brexit was concerned, as Smellys VAT thing.

37 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Really? you have a serious chip on your shoulder I maybe care about pollution clearly you don't ! I made my choice when it started to become clear that fossil fuels are very bad for the world and it would seem us. You could do the same but for some reason you would rather have a go at me for making the effort 

You obviously have the money to do what you are doing, as well as the motivation. Not everyone is so lucky.

[peterboat]

36 minutes ago, The Happy Nomad said:

 

Yes.

 

 

What you have a chip on your shoulder 

[Guest]

Just now, peterboat said:

What you have a chip on your shoulder 

Is that your best shot Mr. Boat?

 

It was obvious which particular point I was responding to.

[peterboat]

21 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

So what do you suggest farmers use for fuel to plough their fields now, not at some indeterminate point in the future?

 

Solar powered tractors? 

 

 

Bio diesel I ran my boat on it for years works well 

1 minute ago, The Happy Nomad said:

Is that your best shot Mr. Boat?

 

It was obvious which particular point I was responding to.

Yup the chip on your shoulder 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Yup the chip on your shoulder 

 

Incorrect Mr. Boat, do you have a problem with following the thread of a discussion?

Edited March 5, 2020 by The Happy Nomad

[peterboat]

1 minute ago, The Happy Nomad said:

 

Incorrect Mr. Boat, do you have a problem with following the thread of a post?

I have no problems with the thread get rid o red diesel to force industry and farms to seek cleaner fuels or ways of carrying out their work, therefore reducing global warming, you are just worried about you not having cheap diesel and stuff the rest of us

[Guest]

1 minute ago, peterboat said:

I have no problems with the thread get rid o red diesel to force industry and farms to seek cleaner fuels or ways of carrying out their work, therefore reducing global warming, you are just worried about you not having cheap diesel and stuff the rest of us

 

How does my using red diesel affect you?

 

Its diesel which has been coloured?

[peterboat]

7 hours ago, The Happy Nomad said:

 

How does my using red diesel affect you?

 

Its diesel which has been coloured?

It affects everybody until cheap fossil fuels are removed from sale we will continue to create more pollution than the earth can cope with.  Change has to start at a personal level, we have to make hard decisions for the greater good. 

[frangar]

1 minute ago, peterboat said:

It affects everybody until cheap fossil fuels are removed from sale we will continue to create more pollution than the earth can cope with.  Change has to start at a personal level, we have to make hard decisions for the greater good. 

Yet you saw fit to have children....and for them to give you grandchildren....surely overpopulation is the biggest threat to the planet?? 

[Momac]

I think we have known the use of fossil fuels to be bad for some considerable time.

Nor is the use of electricity  pollution free . 

 

I think the effects of diesel used by leisure boats is insignificant in the scheme of things. However electric propulsion is almost certainly the future .

 

Other than self build what are the options for buying a boat with electric or hybrid propulsion ? 

 

 

[peterboat]

2 minutes ago, MartynG said:

I think we have known the use of fossil fuels to be bad for some considerable time.

Nor is the use of electricity  pollution free . 

 

I think the effects of diesel used by leisure boats is insignificant in the scheme of things. However electric propulsion is almost certainly the future .

 

Other than self build what are the options for buying a boat with electric or hybrid propulsion ? 

 

 

Johnathan Wilson and Finnesse boats seem to be heading the electric route,  the removal of red diesel will speed that up I would think.  Lynch motors are another that specialise in marine electric motors 

30 minutes ago, frangar said:

Yet you saw fit to have children....and for them to give you grandchildren....surely overpopulation is the biggest threat to the planet?? 

I think the virus is trying to solve the overpopulation problem 

[The Welsh Cruiser]

24 minutes ago, frangar said:

Yet you saw fit to have children....and for them to give you grandchildren....surely overpopulation is the biggest threat to the planet?? 

Of course it is, along with perpetual economic growth. They are interdependent. This is obvious. Despite this, no leaders of nations accept this. It's not even up for discussion at 'world climate summits'. Laughable. What's needed are world leaders with the courage to make real change. No longer should rich countries give large financial (and other) incentives for people at home to have children. Yes, this will have an adverse effect on old age pensions. Deal with it. No longer should rich nations support poorer ones in dealing with their spiralling populations. If the economy/ resources of a country aren't capable of supporting a larger population then there can't be a larger population. No longer should rich countries 'invest' in poorer ones to support the latter's economic growth. Governments of poorer countries have a role to play as well: Ending the status quo that makes people believe that the only way to secure their future is to have large families. If this requires leaders of these countries to change their corrupt nature so be it; richer countries aint going to be helping them get personally rich any more.

 

What's needed is less 'outward looking internationalist' sentiment, replaced by a more local approach based on stability and sustainability. Stable and sustainable population, and economy.  

[frangar]

22 minutes ago, peterboat said:

I think the virus is trying to solve the overpopulation problem 

Interesting to read how many die each day worldwide from “normal” flu or indeed childbirth and other everyday illness....but a good media storm is always helpful....

[furnessvale]

13 hours ago, Mike Todd said:

I thought that the suggestion was that, with the aim of eliminating rebated (red) diesel but with the problem that the red dye will persist for a very long time, all transport users will have to use the same ie what was white but now is red yet having the current white tax regime. Those (relatively few) users not transport will have to reclaim the additional duty, at least for now. A fiscally-neutral arrangement for locomotives would simply reduce the per km charge, making an assumption about km/l. I cannot see any need for the scenario you posit.

Yes, I hope that will happen but there is no guarantee.  Successive governments have either reduced or frozen taxation on HGVs for years while at the same time increasing track access charges on freight trains competing for the same traffic, by the rate of inflation year after year.

[Tim Lewis]

On 26/02/2020 at 09:21, Tim Lewis said:

There is an article in today’s Times suggesting that the The budget will announce a ban on all use of red diesel except in agriculture!

The construction press is full of it at the moment

 

https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/end-of-the-road-for-red-diesel

 

https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2020/03/06/budget-plan-to-scrap-red-diesel-rebate-to-cost-490m-a-year/

 

Tim

[peterboat]

8 minutes ago, frangar said:

Interesting to read how many die each day worldwide from “normal” flu or indeed childbirth and other everyday illness....but a good media storm is always helpful....

True but this virus spreads fast and targets the old and infirm, which allegedly are the biggest drag on society! strange how I always get faster and better service from the old ones in B & Q 

[peterboat]

5 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said:

The construction press is full of it at the moment

 

https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/end-of-the-road-for-red-diesel

 

https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2020/03/06/budget-plan-to-scrap-red-diesel-rebate-to-cost-490m-a-year/

 

Tim

They have had years to change to cleaner tech and nowts happening so the big stick has been brought out

[frangar]

6 minutes ago, peterboat said:

They have had years to change to cleaner tech and nowts happening so the big stick has been brought out

What exactly do you think could replace diesel on a construction site?? The JCB battery mini digger has become a standing joke...or should there be a number of each type of vehicle so that one can be on charge...probably from a diesel generator...while the next one is in use...

[Tim Lewis]

18 minutes ago, peterboat said:

They have had years to change to cleaner tech and nowts happening so the big stick has been brought out

Construction plant diesel engines have improved massively in recent years also as others have said any increase in costs will be passed directly to clients.