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Rob@BSSOffice last won the day on July 26 2012

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  1. Aldi "Special Boating Offers" 25th March

    battery clips, connecting cables, mmmmmmmmm...... ???? - I'd advise anyone thinking about rushing in and waving their plastic at the till, just check everything is appropriate for boats and meets the requirements or think about alternative connection methods if they are not compliant out of the box.
  2. Fire extinguishers use by date?

    Hi Mike, on that specific point, no an expired (or damaged, or guage in the red, or empty) extinguisher would not invalidate the whole BSS Certification for licensing/registration purposes. However in many of the various bylaws and acts and contract under which the BSS implemented by navigation authorities across the UK, there useually a stipulation that will say something along the lines of '..... you shall maintain the boat to the minimum safety standards specified ... etc, etc, by the BSS Requirements' or expressions similar to that. In other words you would have a duty to navigation authority to have the required number of recognised portable fire extinguishers. [the expiry date passing in this case would mean it's no longer recognised as a fire extinguisher for the purposes of the requirement] The reality is that the navigation authority is unlikely to check this aspect, but could - Super Safety Days on the Broads for example may see an extinguisher being checked. However, if meeting the requirements of the BSS is related to insurance cover, then a dicussion with the insurance broker may be the order of the day - or getting a new fire extinguisher (whichever is easier). Finally, and critically with this particular item, would you trust it to work fully as expected to help you escape if fire broke out on your boat, and thats a personal decision. So my first paragraph is the direct answer, the rest is helpful (or not) context to bear in mind. HTH Rob
  3. Carbon Monoxide alarms for boats

    Awwww I was just about to say that. Yes exactly. However, our sources at CoGDEM (the manufacturers' association) say that nearly all the models to -1 are the same, just produced and marketed before the -2 testing prcess was finalised. They put the same units through the higher (for boaties purposes) test processes. Why do I say this, to save the money of anyone who feels they have to replace a perfectly valid CO alarm. The hot news is that the list is about to expand. Any day now I'm expecting news of the Firehawk BS EN 50291-2 alarm. I'm planning a social media blast as soon as we have published the new list. Here's the current/old one until then.... BSS CO alarms List Feb 2015.pdf
  4. Blocked Ventilation

    We are running some tests at the moment with mini four-gas analysers. An examiner stepped aboard a boat and the alert shrilled out. - Upshot: snow had blocked the mushroom vents and CO was starting to build up inside the boat and the occupants were not aware. We're all over faceache and the twittersphere with this message, but your neighbours who are delightfully unconnected to social media may not know or realise the danger. Please can you watch out for them? If you see a boat that has snow all round its roof and/or door vents, and its clear that stove or gas or oil appliance is running, out of community spirit, would you care to let them know if appropriate. BTW - belt and braces job - have you pushed the test button on your CO alarms lately? Keep yourselves safe and cosy from kneepdeepinsnow Norfolk Rob
  5. Bss signs

    That would be a seriously cold fridge
  6. Bss signs

    87 pages https://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/media/268789/ecp-private-boats-ed3_rev2_apr2015_public_final.pdf 6.1.5R Are all portable fire extinguishers in open view or their location clearly marked? missing from the list posted above
  7. boat fire

    Yep, we are aware of the research and naturally you would have expected us to raise it with CoGDEM and the FIA/FPA. It is a work in progress and no doubts the standards making committees are already on the case. the very moment the competent advice from these body changes, I'll be letting you know.
  8. boat fire

    Jess if this event was after 2013 and the examiner is still registered - I need to know - send me a private message with the name and index/registration number of the boat.
  9. boat fire

    Both yes and no - more detail that will hopefully come out of the investigation will be useful However until then, here some bullet points we are urging people to think about and act on: Install stoves to BS 8511:2010 (not least the hearth details) Manitain your stoves - check them routinely, it something is broken - fix it - not roundtuit!! Including door rope and catches. Run the stove as per instructions - don't run it with the door open Don't leave a stove running unattended unless you are confident it will be safe without your keeping an active eye on it. Install smoke and carbon monoxide alarms Push the test buttons regularly Alarms are there to buy you vital seconds - use wisely - have a fire action plan. Everyome must know it and being to perform even when waking from 'deepest-sleep-o'clock' (including when its cold, dark freezing wet) Have grab bag with all your vital bits not to lose in a fire and give you basic clothing/money/phone. Don't leave extinguishers in the back of cupboards or under piles of towels, blankets, tools etc You need to be able to grab and go in seconds - they are there to help you escape. Never, never, never, ever, ever, ever enter a boat at one end when the alternative exit is locked on the outside and cannot be opened from the inside. You do not want to be trapped in boat filling rapidly with a. highly poisonous fumes or b. water These are generic points and are taken from the many non-fatal and the several fatal fires we have recorded and taken lessons from. Very useful learning points - hope the peeps reading pay attention. I will report this back to base to take on board.
  10. boat fire

    Alan, I'm really interested in this. Can you pm/email me the details (do you know make model)?
  11. Carbon Monoxide Alarm Petition

    Yes - just like that. Our Technical Committee chair is a NABO member and is a force to behold. In his world there is no room for sloppy thinking and heaven help us (staff) if our papers (or any others) are flawed. The committe will rip them to shreds. And that is exactly as it should be, tested thoroughly.
  12. Carbon Monoxide Alarm Petition

    Not in our case. Otherwise there would have been CO alarms imposed in 2004 and smoke alarms imposed in 2007 responding to some individual incidents. The committees always go back to first principles and test all points. see Alan d E process description.
  13. Carbon Monoxide Alarm Petition

    Thanks P, was not aware of this.... So for private boats, priavtely managed in private use, i.e. private leisure and pleasure or owner-occupied domiciles, the the navigation authorities (via BSS Requirements) does not regulate on matters related to first party issues, carbon monoxide poisoning being the prime example. The owner/skipper has that burden of responsibility. The navigation authorities regulate on the risks that a boat presents to other people and property surrounding it (fire, explosions, pollution) However, Examiners still have commonlaw duties of care and the the HSE advised us that we should continue to check and advise on risks such as faulty flues, appliances and under-ventilation that could lead to carbon monoxide dangers - hence the checks we call advice checks related to those issues. The BSS is also asked to devise, produce and promote CO safety tips and advice - hence my occaisional outbust hereabouts offering the best information we can lay our hands on. In 2016/17 the BSS Technical and Advisory committees have been tasked with the job of the 'consideration of alarms (CO & fire) on private boats'. There are three basic scenarios no change introduce advice checks introduce requirements with checks to meet BSS certification In addition, these basics can be mixed and matched to certain circumstances like the hire boat checks and those relating to buildings. For example hire boats only have to have a working, suitable CO alarm on a hire boat with a solid fuel appliance. Hire boats only have to have suitable working smoke alarms when there is overnight accomodation i.e. not a day boat. As a hypothetical thought, it could be said that only boats with petrol engines in use (generators/outboards/inboards) need CO alarms as petrol exhaust fumes have killed the last nine boat victims on pleasure craft. However gas appliance have a record in fatal and non-lethal incidents and solid fuel stoves have also been cited in inquests as well as regularly featuring in alarm actuations we see on social media. So it would be good to resist knee-jerk reactions either way to teh petition. In preceding posts there have been some very good and thoughtful posts made for and against the petition as written. It is those thoughts and all the shades of grey in between that need to feed into the consideration when it starts. As such, I recommend you feed your thoughts to NABO, IWA, RYA, AWCC, TBA (the Boating Assoc) as and when asked on whatever comes out of the discussions. I hope this helps. Rob
  14. Generator Accidents - A Timely Reminder

    I think that's the fridge we took off to Dometic to examine, but they could not find a fault. The Coroner's expert witness identified a hole in the gas heater flue, but did not conclude it was significant. However gas fridge flames have been the known cause of incidents of CO. The key thing to keep on top of is the burner and not letting rust and rubbish build up on top of it. Always too have the flue pipe properly sited and in good condition. Routine servicing is a good thing to have with all gas appliances.
  15. Generator Accidents - A Timely Reminder

    Good question. We get to hear about very few electrocutions. As such we can be moderately confident that there are very few if any deaths in a marine enviroment by electrocution. But I don't think we get to hear about 'jolts', perhaps the wider audience here know something or have experience to share?