Gareth E Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: The thing is a few years ago degrees were for stuff like Doctors, Architects, Vetiranary surgeons etc but everything else was learnt on the job and done well. Today kids do courses in such as " Dance " or " Computer games design " or even worse " Hand embroidery " now please dont tell me we need people with degrees in hand embroidery!! Yes its a skill but a degree!! Careful, you're in danger of dissing people who worked jolly hard to earn their big day in their rented gown tossing their rented hat in the air with parents looking on proudly, having achieved a degree in hand embroidery. They'll probably never get a job above minimum wage with such a useless degree but won't have to pay the government loan back because of this. Everyone else is on minimum wage anyway, so it makes no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: degrees in hand embroidery!! Yes its a skill but a degree!! Bloody hell you are correct............. it's worse than I thought. https://www.royal-needlework.org.uk/degree/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacka Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, MartynG said: Bloody hell you are correct............. it's worse than I thought. https://www.royal-needlework.org.uk/degree/ Education is now a money making ‘industry’ so bums on seats means more jobs, more money.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: The thing is a few years ago degrees were for stuff like Doctors, Architects, Vetiranary surgeons etc but everything else was learnt on the job and done well. Today kids do courses in such as " Dance " or " Computer games design " or even worse " Hand embroidery " now please dont tell me we need people with degrees in hand embroidery!! Yes its a skill but a degree!! But how else could the Universities make the millions of pounds profit? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanglewood Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: " Hand embroidery " now please dont tell me we need people with degrees in hand embroidery!! Yes its a skill but a degree!! Of course we do, when such a course is offered by the Royal School of Needlework and is at Hampton Court Palace. Hand embroidery is the practical side of knowing and understanding textiles - and the rich history of this country includes wonderful textiles that need to be conserved. Only years of practical and theoretical knowledge can develop those skills - why should this not be recognised by a degree? It simply means a level of education achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davis Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Gareth E said: It seems you missed the smiley. You still wrote it, and have used similar (incorrect) words in the past, so your smiley was ignored. I am awaiting your description of the two words? Is that beyond you? Edited October 22, 2018 by Graham Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacka Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gareth E said: Careful, you're in danger of dissing people who worked jolly hard to earn their big day in their rented gown tossing their rented hat in the air with parents looking on proudly, having achieved a degree in hand embroidery. They'll probably never get a job above minimum wage with such a useless degree but won't have to pay the government loan back because of this. Everyone else is on minimum wage anyway, so it makes no difference. Though they may never pay back the loan, the money has still been spent and so is paid back by ALL taxpayers unless the money tree is real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Tanglewood said: Of course we do, when such a course is offered by the Royal School of Needlework and is at Hampton Court Palace. Hand embroidery is the practical side of knowing and understanding textiles - and the rich history of this country includes wonderful textiles that need to be conserved. Only years of practical and theoretical knowledge can develop those skills - why should this not be recognised by a degree? It simply means a level of education achieved. Did you type all that whilst keeping a straight face? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanglewood Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Yes, have you never been to the V&A museum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Tanglewood said: Yes, have you never been to the V&A museum? Is it in London? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: Is it in London? No Schmelly it is in leafy Surrey , honest Guv'nor! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil. Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 34 minutes ago, Graham Davis said: You still wrote it, and have used similar (incorrect) words in the past, so your smiley was ignored. I am awaiting your description of the two words? Is that beyond you? Your beginning to sound headmasterly again. (No smiley). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 52 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: The thing is a few years ago degrees were for stuff like Doctors, Architects, Vetiranary surgeons etc but everything else was learnt on the job and done well. Today kids do courses in such as " Dance " or " Computer games design " or even worse " Hand embroidery " now please dont tell me we need people with degrees in hand embroidery!! Yes its a skill but a degree!! Why not a degree its their money. There appears to be a lot of snobbery about what should and shouldn't be a degree. 38 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: Did you type all that whilst keeping a straight face? ? Why shouldn't they? We need people of these skills to conserve our heritage. 46 minutes ago, Gareth E said: Careful, you're in danger of dissing people who worked jolly hard to earn their big day in their rented gown tossing their rented hat in the air with parents looking on proudly, having achieved a degree in hand embroidery. They'll probably never get a job above minimum wage with such a useless degree but won't have to pay the government loan back because of this. Everyone else is on minimum wage anyway, so it makes no difference. I suspect many of the conservators in museums and working for such bodies have degrees of that sort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 50 minutes ago, MartynG said: Yes I shared accomodation with a guy who did social studies he only had half the lectures I did and never had to work on his studies evenings or weekends. also you can do a degree in film studies which involves watching some films and, presumably, writing some essays http://dmu.ac.uk/technology/undergraduate/film-studies.aspx?gclid=Cj0KCQjw6rXeBRD3ARIsAD9ni9DH8Cegef18Ykv076gKybwEqXCM3f465MvdUbQBmlqPPaa82b1XffsaAoLyEALw_wcB there are others https://www.uclan.ac.uk/courses/ba_hons_film_and_media.php https://www.uclan.ac.uk/courses/ba_hons_advertising.php https://www.uclan.ac.uk/courses/ba_hons_fashion_promotion.php Apart from your own experience the rest is assumption/assertion. What degree did your room mate get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Gareth E said: You don't sound like a proper socialist. They want everything to be free, for everyone I’m not a socialist. I’m an explorer. A pragmatist. An archarcist. A supercalifragilist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Gareth E said: Careful, you're in danger of dissing people who worked jolly hard to earn their big day in their rented gown tossing their rented hat in the air with parents looking on proudly, having achieved a degree in hand embroidery. They'll probably never get a job above minimum wage with such a useless degree but won't have to pay the government loan back because of this. Everyone else is on minimum wage anyway, so it makes no difference. That you can only seemingly see the value in a degree in the amount of money it could help you earn, speaks volumes about you. Some of of us aren’t motivated by material wealth at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said: I’m not a socialist. I’m an explorer. A pragmatist. An archarcist. A supercalifragilist Have you sailed on any ExpealidOceans? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Vagabond Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 This whole debate about the 'value' of a degree education seems to me to demonstrate that we want to know the price of everything but know the value of nothing. I would suggest that the purpose of a degree education is to try to expose people to a diversity of thought, the subject is only relevant if your only concern is money and how much they can earn. Stephen Hawking spent pretty much his entire life in education, either in studying or lecturing, was it a life wasted because he didn't come out into the wider world and get a 'proper' job? My view is that he achieved a lot more in his lifetime than I ever will working in a 'proper' job, he has given people a whole different way of thinking about things. Most of the matters he raised were some pretty abstract concepts that I am more that willing to accept that I do not understand, my loss not his. As another example, I don't know exactly what CERN in Geneva hope to achieve with a lot of their theoretical experiments, would I recognise a Higgs Boson if I were hit in the face by one? but then one of the Fellows of CERN was a certain Tim Berners Lee without whom we wouldn't have this forum. If we only study stuff that has an immediate practical/financial benefit we are going to lose a lot of other stuff. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth E Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Graham Davis said: You still wrote it, and have used similar (incorrect) words in the past, so your smiley was ignored. I am awaiting your description of the two words? Is that beyond you? A socialist is someone who, rather than instinctively helping others themselves, prefers not to. Instead, he or she favours this help to be a requirement under law with high taxes and multiple government departments. A Socialist is as above, when a sentence begins with the word socialist. Please feel free to correct any errors I've made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 10 hours ago, cereal tiller said: Have you sailed on any ExpealidOceans? No, but my chimeny is spotless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davis Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 16 hours ago, Gareth E said: A socialist is someone who, rather than instinctively helping others themselves, prefers not to. Instead, he or she favours this help to be a requirement under law with high taxes and multiple government departments. A Socialist is as above, when a sentence begins with the word socialist. Please feel free to correct any errors I've made. Didn't you learn the difference between nouns and proper nouns when you were at school? Small s = noun Big S = proper noun. Now read what I wrote again. And your explanation above makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth E Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Graham Davis said: Didn't you learn the difference between nouns and proper nouns when you were at school? Small s = noun Big S = proper noun. Now read what I wrote again. And your explanation above makes no sense. Having reflected on my original post, I'm happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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