Athy Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 I've fixed that for you. You've really nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schipper Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) Twenty miles Tim What? With these feet? Edited November 16, 2016 by Schipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain_S Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Yes it do. The word which I sought, and have now found, was "agendas" rather than Manifestoes. I though agenda was already plural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac of Cygnet Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) A big part of this topic could possibly be moved to a dedicated topic (still to be created) about the right use of the English language and the proper grammar that go's with it. Peter. Oooohhhhh!!!! A playpen for Athy and me! (With occasional visits from the Boilerman). Seriously, though, we could do with a 'Pedants' Corner', if only to relieve the angst and itchy fingers I experience on reading some of the posts on here. There was one on a site I used to frequent (The Motley Fool) and it could be very entertaining. Edited November 16, 2016 by Mac of Cygnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) Oooohhhhh!!!! A playpen for Athy and me! (With occasional visits from the Boilerman). Seriously, though, we could do with a 'Pedants' Corner', if only to relieve the angst and itchy fingers I experience on reading some of the posts on here. There was one on a site I used to frequent (The Motley Fool) and it could be very entertaining. Ah yes, was it there we had a most entertainingly long thread about the various places the landlord put the apostrophe on the various signs he erected advertising his pub the "Pigs' Nose Inn"? (Edit to remove duplicate quote.) Edited November 16, 2016 by Mike the Boilerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer2911 Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) If you couldn't stay in the parish for more than 14 days, you must of had to move (at least) to the 'next Parish', the more important question is can you do : Parish A to Parish B, to Parish A to Parish B to ................... 'Must have had to move'. not 'must of had to move' - or is this another Americanism? If we really are being picky, I believe that the plural of manifesto is manifestos, not manifestoes. My daughter is an apostrophe vigilante, awarding points to her junior school class when they spot offending signage. I'm sure that 'potatoe's' or 'potato's' must feature in the gold star list quite often, judging by the number of times I see these mis-spellings. Edited November 16, 2016 by homer2911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 'Must have had to move'. not 'must of had to move' - or is this another Americanism? If we really are being picky, I believe that the plural of manifesto is manifestos, not manifestoes. My daughter is an apostrophe vigilante, awarding points to her junior school class when they spot offending signage. I'm sure that 'potatoe's' or 'potato's' must feature in the gold star list quite often, judging by the number of times I see these mis-spellings. Both known as the 'grocer's apostrophe'. They do it deliberately so people can moan about their illiterate chalkboard signage. Didn't you know?! Mind you, I think the sign I saw a few years ago advertising "Sparrow grass" was taking the principle a bit far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceinSanity Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Both known as the 'grocer's apostrophe'. They do it deliberately so people can moan about their illiterate chalkboard signage. Didn't you know?! Mind you, I think the sign I saw a few years ago advertising "Sparrow grass" was taking the principle a bit far! My favourite was a board outside a pub advertising "Tapa's". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) Both known as the 'grocer's apostrophe'. They do it deliberately so people can moan about their illiterate chalkboard signage. Didn't you know?! No, I thought it was the greengrocer's/ greengrocers' apostrophe. I though agenda was already plural. According to the Oxford dic, was, yes, is, no. In modern English it's considered to be singular, with plural "agendas". Regarding manifesto, various internet sources allow both plurals, -os or -oes. Edited November 17, 2016 by Athy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac of Cygnet Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Both known as the 'grocer's apostrophe'. They do it deliberately so people can moan about their illiterate chalkboard signage. Didn't you know?! Mind you, I think the sign I saw a few years ago advertising "Sparrow grass" was taking the principle a bit far! A colloquial term for asparagus. We always called it that when I was a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 No, I thought it was the greengrocer's/ greengrocers' apostrophe.According to the Oxford dic, was, yes, is, no. In modern English it's considered to be singular, with plural "agendas". Regarding manifesto, various internet sources allow both plurals, -os or -oes. I tend to use 'agendum' - single item of business; 'agenda' - the collection of such items, or the document listing them; 'agendas' - the collection of said documents. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I tend to use 'agendum' - single item of business; 'agenda' - the collection of such items, or the document listing them; 'agendas' - the collection of said documents. Dave I thought I was traditional till I met you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I tend to use 'agendum' - single item of business; 'agenda' - the collection of such items, or the document listing them; 'agendas' - the collection of said documents. Dave Generally called a list in Lancashire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Generally called a list in Lancashire. To quote from a website dealing with the history of Asparagus; in the 16th century we find the term "sparagus" used in English speaking countries. the peasants would call it " sparrow grass". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I tend to use 'agendum' - single item of business; 'agenda' - the collection of such items, or the document listing them; 'agendas' - the collection of said documents. Dave And you would be correct. Whilst we are on the subject; Referendum - A single ballot upon which a single question is asked. Referendums - A series of at least two ballots, where a single question is asked on each occasion. Referenda - A single ballot upon which at least two questions are asked Referendas - A series of at least two ballots, including at least one ballot upon which at least 2 questions are asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac of Cygnet Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 To quote from a website dealing with the history of Asparagus; in the 16th century we find the term "sparagus" used in English speaking countries. the peasants would call it " sparrow grass". Well that's me put in my social stratum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machpoint005 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 And you would be correct. Whilst we are on the subject; Referendum - A single ballot upon which a single question is asked. Referendums - A series of at least two ballots, where a single question is asked on each occasion. Referenda - A single ballot upon which at least two questions are asked Referendas - A series of at least two ballots, including at least one ballot upon which at least 2 questions are asked. So are data plural, or it is singular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 So are data plural, or it is singular? In Scotland, porridge (or porage) are plural. But that's not important right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machpoint005 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 In Scotland, porridge (or porage) are plural. But that's not important right now. That's what comes of putting salt in them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac of Cygnet Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 And you would be correct. Whilst we are on the subject; Referendum - A single ballot upon which a single question is asked. Referendums - A series of at least two ballots, where a single question is asked on each occasion. Referenda - A single ballot upon which at least two questions are asked Referendas - A series of at least two ballots, including at least one ballot upon which at least 2 questions are asked. Meanwhile, back in the real world....... In Scotland, porridge (or porage) are plural. But that's not important right now. So what's the singular, then? Or is it like sheep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Well that's me put in my social stratum! LOL I was expecting somebody to have some sort of response! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Meanwhile, back in the real world....... So what's the singular, then? Or is it like sheep? No, porage are vegetarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 So are data plural, or it is singular? Data is the plural of datum, Shirley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac of Cygnet Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) And what about medium? Are happy mediums ones who write for the media or just contact the departed by the medium of séances? And are media moguls really rich or just medium rich? And can media be singular? (Answer - yes) And what is its plural? And as for data, the OED says In Latin, data is the plural of datum and, historically and in specialized scientific fields , it is also treated as a plural in English, taking a plural verb, as in the data were collected and classified . In modern non-scientific use, however , despite the complaints of traditionalists, it is often not treated as a plural. Instead, it is treated as a mass noun, similar to a word like information, which cannot normally have a plural and which takes a singular verb. Sentences such as data was (as well as data were ) collected over a number of years are now widely accepted in standard English. Edited November 18, 2016 by Mac of Cygnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 can media be singular? (Answer - yes) In what circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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