cereal tiller Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 there was a time when narrowboats were either TRAD stern or CRUISER stern so when did the now popular semi-trad appear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 you are incorrect. There was trad which had bmc and then engine and then semi trad which had engine in bmc space. The other semi trad came later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 you are incorrect. There was trad which had bmc and then engine and then semi trad which had engine in bmc space. The other semi trad came later yes, of course,you are describing layouts? i was asking about stern deck arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timleech Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 you are incorrect. There was trad which had bmc and then engine and then semi trad which had engine in bmc space. The other semi trad came later I thought a bmc was an engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I thought a bmc was an engine? do try and keep up tim! the bmc had a bmc in it,noisier than a stove ,but it was nice and warm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timleech Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 do try and keep up tim! the bmc had a bmc in it,noisier than a stove ,but it was nice and warm... Yeah, I knew what he meant, just hate that (mis)use of 'bmc' (plus that posting could easily confuse those who aren't familiar with its misuse). I'd never heard 'semi-trad' used to describe a boat with engine in the stern of the cabin, but I used to steer a trip boat which was arranged that way, this was in the late 1960s & I think the actual conversion from a Working Boat, putting the engine in the stern, was done in the late 1950s. What most of us know as the 'semi-trad', the hollow cabin outline, came a lot later but I couldn't try to put a date on it. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 you are incorrect. There was trad which had bmc and then engine and then semi trad which had engine in bmc space. The other semi trad came later Didn't some of the Severn & Canal Carrying Co boats have the engine in the back of the cabin, with the living accommodation in front from the start? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timleech Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Didn't some of the Severn & Canal Carrying Co boats have the engine in the back of the cabin, with the living accommodation in front from the start? David Yes Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchward Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) Didn't some of the Severn & Canal Carrying Co boats have the engine in the back of the cabin, with the living accommodation in front from the start? David Yep that's right. I think one or two other smaller carrying companies too. As is often said in the model railway world. "There is a prototype for everything" so always best to be careful when saying something is unique or never, always done that way etc. I would hazard a quess that the first time we saw semi trads in the sense of rear deck arrangement for a modern pleasure boat was in the early 1980s but I don't know who would have made the first. Edited October 24, 2011 by churchward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony collins Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 The first "semi-trad" I remember seeing was about in the 1970's. It was on the Weltonfield Hire fleet and the shell was built by their regular shell builder who was working out of the village of Old in Northants. Sadly senility has arrived and I am unable to recall his name, ( he is now sadly passed on). Just to get the traditionalists wound up, I'll tell you of my dream boat before I had to give up boating for health reasons. A 57ft Tug "Woolwich"replica such as being built in the early 2000's by Barry Hawkins or Davis's,(without false rivets) with a bed under the tug deck, a proper engine room a Gardner engine and wait for it..... A semi-trad stern! I once mentioned the project to BH and it was all he could do, not to throw me out of his yard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Just to get the traditionalists wound up, I'll tell you of my dream boat before I had to give up boating for health reasons. A 57ft Tug "Woolwich"replica such as being built in the early 2000's by Barry Hawkins or Davis's,(without false rivets) with a bed under the tug deck, a proper engine room a Gardner engine and wait for it..... A semi-trad stern! I once mentioned the project to BH and it was all he could do, not to throw me out of his yard! I can certainly offer you a "tug style" semi-trad, but the length may not be what you want, and you would have to accept the fake rivets, (and a pram hood).......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 lovely boat,despite the "pinched nose" effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 I can certainly offer you a "tug style" semi-trad, but the length may not be what you want, and you would have to accept the fake rivets, (and a pram hood).......... sorry, rivets aside, the pram hood just makes it look plain silly, however shiny it is. and I repeat sorry in case someone thinks I don't appreciate their taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 sorry, rivets aside, the pram hood just makes it look plain silly, however shiny it is. and I repeat sorry in case someone thinks I don't appreciate their taste. I couldn't possibly comment....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony collins Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) Alan, thanks for the pic. Did you miss the bit: I had to give up boating for health reasons. Also, a Gardner (2LW?)would need it's own engine room of course. Tony. edited to add: Wet weather never bothered me at the tiller provided I was suitably dressed. It was actually quite peaceful....... Edited October 24, 2011 by tony collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic M Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 The first "semi-trad" I remember seeing was about in the 1970's. It was on the Weltonfield Hire fleet and the shell was built by their regular shell builder who was working out of the village of Old in Northants. Sadly senility has arrived and I am unable to recall his name, ( he is now sadly passed on). Just to get the traditionalists wound up, I'll tell you of my dream boat before I had to give up boating for health reasons. A 57ft Tug "Woolwich"replica such as being built in the early 2000's by Barry Hawkins or Davis's,(without false rivets) with a bed under the tug deck, a proper engine room a Gardner engine and wait for it..... A semi-trad stern! I once mentioned the project to BH and it was all he could do, not to throw me out of his yard! Mike Gration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chertsey Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 If anyone would like to come and leaf through my complete collection of Waterways Worlds, I'm sure that would provide the answer... eventually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 On the L&LC, when steam engines replaced horses, the engine was fitted in what had been the main cabin at the stern, the main living accommodation then being the bow cabin. So the date could be circa 1880, though I am sure I could find earlier conversions of this type if I really looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 sorry, rivets aside, the pram hood just makes it look plain silly, however shiny it is. And the lift-and-separate 'back end' rings! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedwheel Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 my complete collection of Waterways Worlds I thought I was the only person sad enough to have one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fender Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) . Edited October 25, 2011 by fender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morat Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 And the lift-and-separate 'back end' rings! David That what, now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 And the lift-and-separate 'back end' rings! David That what, now? Clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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