Regent’s Canal towpath row

[mayalld]

" The world should revolve around me" what an immature comment to make.

"A dog that is on a lead is faced with an unknown potential threat" of course he his because every time a dog tries to say hello he's yanked back by his selfish owner (thus increasing the dogs anger) who doesnt really know what goes on in a dogs mind. The standard way to train your dog is to let it socialise with other dogs. You will do more damage to your dog than I've done to mine. A dog should be off the lead to exercise and enjoy him self and his surroundings. In my experience owners who keep their dogs on a lead have trouble calling back the dog and generally keeping it under control and that's why they keep it on a lead because it's easier. By the way when if ever do you let your dog off a lead? how excited is your dog when you throw him a ball and he runs 2Ft to pick it up? How excited can your dog get when you throw a frisbee for him and he can only jump 8" off the ground to catch it?

Kept on a lead? Yes, at the roadside, but if you have taken the time to train and socialise your dog, let them enjoy the walk as much as you, off the lead.

 

Darren

 

they are kept on a lead in public places.

 

they have ample time and space off the lead when he is not in public places.

 

as I said, roll on more and more places enforcing rules about keeping dogs on leads.

[carlt]

as I said, roll on more and more places enforcing rules about keeping dogs on leads.

Would you accept volunteer wardens telling people to put them on a lead even if the owners have every confidence in their dog's training and their ability to control said mutt,

 

(This is a humorous rhetorical question, btw, and doesn't need answering)

[ChimneyChain]

they are kept on a lead in public places.

 

they have ample time and space off the lead when he is not in public places.

 

as I said, roll on more and more places enforcing rules about keeping dogs on leads.

 

 

There was three questions you failed to answer at the end of my last post

Edited June 10, 2012 by ChimneyChain

[carlt]

There was three questions you failed to answer at the end of my last post

I too ignored those questions because when my dogs are let off the lead they will run further than I can throw a ball and leap as high as they possibly can (around 7', in Nog's case, a bit lower for Sheridan), to catch a frisbee so your questions just don't apply.

 

Excuse the quality of the photograph, they are doing over 30mph here.

 

Edited June 10, 2012 by carlt

[mayalld]

There was three questions you failed to answer at the end of my last post

 

There WERE three questions.

 

I chose not to answer them, as they were clearly written based upon an incorrect supposition as to what my answers to the earlier questions would be.

[ChimneyChain]

Carl lovely pictures of the dogs. But are they on public or private land? Because mayalld theory is that all dogs should be on a lead in public areas. I can't find many private land owners that will allow me to walk my dog off the lead on their land. Have you got any dogs by the way?? Carl what you do in this hypothetical situation ? You've thrown a frisbee for your dog and he's run up to another dog while picking up the frisbee, we now have two dangerous dog that neither owner knows. Would you run up waving both hands violently trying to remove this un-controllable dog from your harms way or let them just greet each other and then walk on by??

 

Darren

[Machpoint005]

Dogs interacting with dogs is one thing - but nothing like the most important. What about uncontrolled dogs 'interacting' with small children in buggies? The owner may 'know' the dog is friendly, and for all I know the dog may know it too, but the child in the meantime may well be petrified. This is completely unacceptable.

[mayalld]

Carl lovely pictures of the dogs. But are they on public or private land? Because mayalld theory is that all dogs should be on a lead in public areas. I can't find many private land owners that will allow me to walk my dog off the lead on their land.

 

So, because you can't find a private landowner who will allow you to excercise your dogs off the lead on their land, you arbitrarily decide that it is OK to do it on public land.

[carlt]

Carl lovely pictures of the dogs. But are they on public or private land? Because mayalld theory is that all dogs should be on a lead in public areas. I can't find many private land owners that will allow me to walk my dog off the lead on their land. Have you got any dogs by the way?? Carl what you do in this hypothetical situation ? You've thrown a frisbee for your dog and he's run up to another dog while picking up the frisbee, we now have two dangerous dog that neither owner knows. Would you run up waving both hands violently trying to remove this un-controllable dog from your harms way or let them just greet each other and then walk on by??

 

Darren

Private land, in that instance, and I have a number of locations where I can run my dogs, with the landowners' permission (having sighthounds has great benefits, when asking a farmer if you can run your dogs), though I don't agree with Dave that dogs should be on a lead in open public spaces.

 

I have two dogs...they are in the photograph.

 

I throw my frisbee away from strange dogs and my dogs will return immediately, on my command, whether they are chasing a frisbee, rabbit or there is another dog in the vicinity. It is important that you can stop a sighthound in mid-flight, if he is chasing a rabbit heading for a barbed wire fence.

 

I don't worry too much in open spaces because if my dogs don't want to socialise, being salukis, there is nothing much that can keep up with them while they are running away (Nog's usual reaction to anything bigger than a bunny).

 

Here they are running on public access land...Spot the difference?

 

[mayalld]

Private land, in that instance, and I have a number of locations where I can run my dogs, with the landowners' permission (having sighthounds has great benefits, when asking a farmer if you can run your dogs), though I don't agree with Dave that dogs should be on a lead in open public spaces.

 

To be absolutely clear;

 

I do accept that in public open spaces where the owner can be ABSOLUTELY certain that he can recall his dogs when other people or dogs approach, where there is no possibility at all of them "saying hello", where the owner's eyesight is sufficiently acute to spot the little parcels being deposited, then a dog off a lead isn't a problem.

 

However, the fact that so many people are utterly incapable of behaving properly in this respect leads me to conclude that a ban may be necessary.

[Machpoint005]

>>>the fact that so many people are utterly incapable of behaving properly in this respect leads me to conclude that a ban may be necessary<<<.

 

And in other respects - but I agree!

[ChimneyChain]

So, because you can't find a private landowner who will allow you to excercise your dogs off the lead on their land, you arbitrarily decide that it is OK to do it on public land.

 

I'll tell you what I'll do next time I take my dogs for a walk to the woods (public land) I will keep my lab on a lead for the complete three hours I will then proceed to tell all the other owners the error of they way. Carl good reply to my last post. By the way what do you mean " spot the difference"

 

Darren

[carlt]

By the way what do you mean " spot the difference"

 

The difference (apart from the grass length) is that whenever my dogs are off the lead where it is accessible to the public, they are muzzled.

[matty40s]

just as well there are no volunteer dog walkers there or mayall is fooked.

 

Wondering how this has strayed so far from mad cyclists on the REGENT CANAL. (Londonium)

[Lady Muck]

To be absolutely clear;

 

I do accept that in public open spaces where the owner can be ABSOLUTELY certain that he can recall his dogs when other people or dogs approach, where there is no possibility at all of them "saying hello", where the owner's eyesight is sufficiently acute to spot the little parcels being deposited, then a dog off a lead isn't a problem.

 

However, the fact that so many people are utterly incapable of behaving properly in this respect leads me to conclude that a ban may be necessary.

 

[boatygirlonboard]

I didn't really think it was a problem (being a Londoner, a cyclist and used to it) either until I walked the towpath with mum.

She was pretty scared TBH.

 

What we really need are more cyclist only cycle paths in London. So many of us cycle now, bike shops are springing up all over. It's cheap, much nicer than the tube and quicker as well. Let's not forget that alot of the towpath cyclists in London are boaters as well. Like the rest of London, the moorings, the carparking, the roads, the towpath is too busy. Like the boats, they can't limit numbers.

 

We do have one particular 'lycra lout' up on the Lee and Stort. We saw him threaten a towpath walker with violence for getting in his way. He really does think he has priority. He once nearly ran into me, bellowing, 'you boaters think you own the place! Get out of my way!.' I think he has issues. You will know him if you meet him.

 

Think I know of that lycra lout - used to go through Victoria Park shouting at people to get out of the way - haven't seen or heard about him for some time now!

[ditchcrawler]

I didn't really think it was a problem (being a Londoner, a cyclist and used to it) either until I walked the towpath with mum.

She was pretty scared TBH.

 

What we really need are more cyclist only cycle paths in London. So many of us cycle now, bike shops are springing up all over. It's cheap, much nicer than the tube and quicker as well. Let's not forget that alot of the towpath cyclists in London are boaters as well. Like the rest of London, the moorings, the carparking, the roads, the towpath is too busy. Like the boats, they can't limit numbers.

 

We do have one particular 'lycra lout' up on the Lee and Stort. We saw him threaten a towpath walker with violence for getting in his way. He really does think he has priority. He once nearly ran into me, bellowing, 'you boaters think you own the place! Get out of my way!.' I think he has issues. You will know him if you meet him.

I thought scooters were the latest in thing for getting around London

 

On the news today. 8 cases a month of dogs attacking guide dogs out on the streets.

[Machpoint005]

>>>On the news today. 8 cases a month of dogs attacking guide dogs out on the streets.<<<

They should be shot (not the guide dogs). No expensive court cases, no right of appeal.

 

 

 

snipped out the irrelevant part

Edited June 11, 2012 by Machpoint005

[KevMc]

They should be shot (not the guide dogs). No expensive court cases, no right of appeal.

 

The dogs that attack guide dogs don't know that they are guide dogs and are only acting as they have been bred/trained to do .... why should they be punished ? The owners should be punished - maybe by being temporarily blinded and forced to live that way for a period of time so that they understand what they have done

[jenlyn]

Whenever I moor near London, I keep my home made stinger, on the back, ready to deploy, (disguised as a piece of Lycra ;-) )

[bowten]

On June 1st 2012 Hackney Council posted some (discreet) notices giving its intention to turn the Regents Canal Towpath into a Dog Control Zone. In other words, your dog must now be on a lead, or you face a £80 fine.

 

This is a consultation notice, which will finish on the 2nd July 2012. Unless people speak up, then dogs will only be allowed on the towpath on a lead.

 

Hackney has recently employed a large number of dog wardens and, having spoken to the 'Greenspace' department, the council employees made it clear that, following a number of complaints made by members of the public about the amount of dog pooh on the towpath, unless a miracle happens, the Tow Path Dog Control Zone will be enforced.

 

I am a cyclist and a dog owner. Many of you will know me (I own two chocolate Labradors which run alongside me, as I cycle between Islington and Victoria Park). The tow path is the one place my dogs and I can move along at about 6 miles an hour. Those who know me (and my dogs) will know that this human and his canine pals carry out this daily exercise to burn off the flab.....

 

My concern is this. I have had a few close calls with respect to colliding with other people’s dogs. But I have to say, as someone who classes themself as a fairly experienced cyclist, it is always the dog which has been responsible for avoiding any accident – and not me. My bike skills, and disc brakes, are no substitute for a dog’s peripheral vision and lightning reactions.

 

However, the two actual accidents I have had, have been when I collided with a dog owner's retractable lead. Once I ended up in the canal, and once I was flung head-first onto a cafe table. Those retractable leads are the biggest selling item in the shop, according to the manager of my local PetSmart.

 

All I ask is that, as a boat owner, cyclist, dog owner (or combination of), that you write (whatever your opinion) to:

 

enforcementsupport@hackney.gov.uk

 

I confess, though, I am interested in your views.....

What if any is the fine for dog fouling?This is the most deplorable of all actions allowed by some dog owners.

[Grace and Favour]

" The world should revolve around me" what an immature comment to make.

"A dog that is on a lead is faced with an unknown potential threat" of course he his because every time a dog tries to say hello he's yanked back by his selfish owner (thus increasing the dogs anger) who doesnt really know what goes on in a dogs mind. The standard way to train your dog is to let it socialise with other dogs. You will do more damage to your dog than I've done to mine. A dog should be off the lead to exercise and enjoy him self and his surroundings. In my experience owners who keep their dogs on a lead have trouble calling back the dog and generally keeping it under control and that's why they keep it on a lead because it's easier. By the way when if ever do you let your dog off a lead? how excited is your dog when you throw him a ball and he runs 2Ft to pick it up? How excited can your dog get when you throw a frisbee for him and he can only jump 8" off the ground to catch it?

Kept on a lead? Yes, at the roadside, but if you have taken the time to train and socialise your dog, let them enjoy the walk as much as you, off the lead.

 

Darren

 

You're being an ignorant self-centred dog owner.

 

There are many other creatures on the towpath (and other public places) from small domestic animals (e.g. cats, rabbits, chickens) , and a multitude of wild animals.

 

And children

 

Non of these should be prey to the attentions of dogs running without a lead.

 

It's about time you brushed up on your social responsibilities

[sueb]

You're being an ignorant self-centred dog owner.

 

There are many other creatures on the towpath (and other public places) from small domestic animals (e.g. cats, rabbits, chickens) , and a multitude of wild animals.

 

And children

 

Non of these should be prey to the attentions of dogs running without a lead.

 

It's about time you brushed up on your social responsibilities

I haven't seen many/any small domestic animals especially chickens on the Regents Canal towpath. I don't think there are many wild ones either

[Grace and Favour]

I haven't seen many/any small domestic animals especially chickens on the Regents Canal towpath. I don't think there are many wild ones either

 

I wasn't aware the discussion was about Regents Canal towpath (specifically)

 

I have certainly seen a number of towpath locations where there were fowl, (both wild and farm) scratting around (some of the chickens even belonging to boaters!)

[sueb]

I wasn't aware the discussion was about Regents Canal towpath (specifically)

 

I have certainly seen a number of towpath locations where there were fowl, (both wild and farm) scratting around (some of the chickens even belonging to boaters!)

It is in the title