Engine service parts

[Sandra F]

Help, please - we had a problem last year after fitting an incorrect oil filter – can anyone confirm the names/reference numbers of readily available oil filters for a Beta BV1205? Beta’s number appears to be 200-60390.

 

Also alternator belts – we think we should be carrying spares, so how do we determine the right ones (without taking the old ones off and taking them to a chandlers)? One has a visible number – Optibelt SK SPZ950LW – is this a recognisable reference to anyone? The other, a thicker one, does not have a visible reference on it.

 

Thanks

[bottle]

Hi Sandra

 

I am sure help will arrive but if 'push comes to shove' you could always contact Beta Marine, probably more expensive but you would have the correct ones.

[David Schweizer]

Unless they have changed their practice, you may well find that the only filters that will fit are Beta's own, which are very expensive. My friend had a Kubota based Beta, but Beta had supplemented the original filter head with one of their own, and try as we could, we never found an alternative filter that would fit.

 

We even went to the Kubota specialists in Bath, where I knew the Senior Engineer, but they were unable to help. His only suggestion was to replace the Beta filter head with a Kubota one and then purchase the filters from any decent motor factor.

[Strads]

re the belts

 

would suggest taking the 3 diemensions and going to a car spares / motor factors ans asking them for the closest fit.

 

most of these belts are used by more than one machine... but be accurate and also check on the profile

eg whether flat, V shaped, notched etc..

 

or else a spare pair of tights.....( I'll get my coat)

[steelaway]

Help, please - we had a problem last year after fitting an incorrect oil filter – can anyone confirm the names/reference numbers of readily available oil filters for a Beta BV1205? Beta’s number appears to be 200-60390.

 

Also alternator belts – we think we should be carrying spares, so how do we determine the right ones (without taking the old ones off and taking them to a chandlers)? One has a visible number – Optibelt SK SPZ950LW – is this a recognisable reference to anyone? The other, a thicker one, does not have a visible reference on it.

 

Thanks

 

 

Hi

 

The nunber on belts tends to indicate their length, in your case 950mm which sound right, my Barrus one is about that. Check also the width - fatter the better.

As boat engine alternators have small pulleys you will need one that is toothed - to handle the tight diameter.

You need to keep a spare because it also drives the engine water pump.

Is ther only one alternator on this engine?

 

Alex

[FadeToScarlet]

So, much like Xerox are really in the business of selling toner, it seems like Beta are actually engine spares sellers!

[AlanH]

So, much like Xerox are really in the business of selling toner, it seems like Beta are actually engine spares sellers!

Beta may be expensive but they are very helpful. I couldn't find the engine number on mine when I wanted a new heater plug. John Lusty from Beta got me to Email a pic of the old one against a ruler, identified the plug and the engine type and then sold me the cheaper NGK equivalent. In all my dealings with them I have found them to be extremely helpful.

 

My fairly early 3cyl Beta/Kubota takes pattern oil filters. I'm afraid I don't know numbers as I just go into TW marine and tell them that I want a new filter and they sell me one cheaply enough.

[David Schweizer]

Midland Chandlers sell some filters for the Beta engines. Not being that familiar with the Beta range, I do not know whether any of those listed would fit.

 

http://www.midlandchandlers.co.uk/searchre...%20oil%20filter

[Mac of Cygnet]

These people have a very comprehensive online cross-referencing system for filters and are very helpful. I even got Vetus equivalents from them.

 

Mac

[Pie Eater]

Sandra

 

Our engine is a beta 1005 and we had the same problem when we got the boat.

 

I don't know if any of the parts are the same as your engine but sometimes they are.

 

Our original oil filter was FRAM PH 3917 and alternatives are COOPER Z920 or MAHLE OC 115

 

Our original fuel filter was FRAM P 4766 and an alternative is COOPER FSM 4027

 

Fan belt No 1 was BANDO RPF 2375 95x950Li and alternatives are HALFORDS HB 950a or SHARROCKS BL SPZ 950

 

Fan belt No 2 was OPTIBELT VB A1046Ld Li A10 and an alternative is MITSUBOSHI 13x1016Li A40

 

Steve

[adrianh]

Help, please - we had a problem last year after fitting an incorrect oil filter – can anyone confirm the names/reference numbers of readily available oil filters for a Beta BV1205? Beta’s number appears to be 200-60390.

 

Also alternator belts – we think we should be carrying spares, so how do we determine the right ones (without taking the old ones off and taking them to a chandlers)? One has a visible number – Optibelt SK SPZ950LW – is this a recognisable reference to anyone? The other, a thicker one, does not have a visible reference on it.

 

Thanks

[churchward]

Help, please - we had a problem last year after fitting an incorrect oil filter – can anyone confirm the names/reference numbers of readily available oil filters for a Beta BV1205? Beta’s number appears to be 200-60390.

 

Also alternator belts – we think we should be carrying spares, so how do we determine the right ones (without taking the old ones off and taking them to a chandlers)? One has a visible number – Optibelt SK SPZ950LW – is this a recognisable reference to anyone? The other, a thicker one, does not have a visible reference on it.

 

Thanks

 

Do you mean a Beta BV1305 or a BV1005 I don't recognise a BV1205 Kubota make an BV1105 as well.

 

Beta numbers for filters

Oil - 211-60390

Fuel 211-60210

 

V fan belts are I think 950mm (cirumference) for a BV1305 and 1000mm on a BV1505

 

Air filter 211-61831

 

There are plenty of other alternative you DO NOT have to use Beta parts. as listed above the Inline filter site is great at finding different makes that will fit.

 

Here is a sample

 

Make FUEL Filter OIL Filter Air Filter

Crosland 5004 2071 9173

Fram P4766 PH3917 CA5315

Baldwin FFR-P4766 FFR-PH3917 FFR-CA5315

 

Last time I changed mine I used the crossland ones on my BV1505.

Edited April 4, 2009 by churchward

[Eeyore]

Do you mean a Beta BV1305 or a BV1005 I don't recognise a BV1205 Kubota make an BV1105 as well.

The Kubota V1205 (the B is only added by Beta) was the smallest of the four cylinder "05 series" engines.

It was discontinued (by Kubota) a while back; probably because the power range is now covered by the D1105 (D=3 cylinder) and V1305 (V= 4 cylinder).

The filters, as you say, are usualy the same.

I'm off out tonight to see if I can get a life

Steve

[Sandra F]

Many thanks for the replies to our queries – there is a gold mine of experience out there, all freely provided.

 

I confess a bit of self-help was useful. Today, whilst squeezing into the engine compartment and wrapping myself around the (cold) engine to redo the stern gland packing, I managed to get myself right down alongside the engine and was able to read the name on the oil filter (Mann W714/4). But contributors, please don’t think I was wasting your time because all the help and suggestions on the oil filters and belts have been noted.

 

There were a couple of queries about the Beta BV1205 engine, so let me clarify. The engine was installed in my Midway boat just over eight years ago, and according to the Beta Marine manual the BV1205 is sandwiched between the BD1005 and the BV1305 (plus also the BV 1505). The three cylinder BD1005 has a quoted power output of 25 BHP, whilst the other four cylinder models have a power of 30, 33.5 and 35 respectively; all filters are the same for all four engines.

 

Once again, thanks for all you help.

 

Barry F

[sociable_hermit]

MANN filters are rather good - stick with those if you can find a supplier. I was round at Shobnall Boat Services t'other day and they stock them, though obviously I didn't check for that size in particular! Irritatingly they did have a stack of the type I wasted nigh-on a week searching for on the internet. Sometimes local suppliers are still best!

[Smelly]

These people have a very comprehensive online cross-referencing system for filters and are very helpful. I even got Vetus equivalents from them.

 

Mac

 

And they're reet nice as well... Highly recommended

[churchward]

Many thanks for the replies to our queries – there is a gold mine of experience out there, all freely provided.

 

I confess a bit of self-help was useful. Today, whilst squeezing into the engine compartment and wrapping myself around the (cold) engine to redo the stern gland packing, I managed to get myself right down alongside the engine and was able to read the name on the oil filter (Mann W714/4). But contributors, please don’t think I was wasting your time because all the help and suggestions on the oil filters and belts have been noted.

 

There were a couple of queries about the Beta BV1205 engine, so let me clarify. The engine was installed in my Midway boat just over eight years ago, and according to the Beta Marine manual the BV1205 is sandwiched between the BD1005 and the BV1305 (plus also the BV 1505). The three cylinder BD1005 has a quoted power output of 25 BHP, whilst the other four cylinder models have a power of 30, 33.5 and 35 respectively; all filters are the same for all four engines.

 

Once again, thanks for all you help.

 

Barry F

Although that filter type has the right thread and is roughly the right width etc. and it will filter the oil OK when running I don't believe it has any drain back valve. This feature is important as when the engine is at rest the filter will empty of oil . This momentarily stops (whilst the filter fills with oil again) oil getting to some parts on start-up and accelerates wear.

 

If you really wanted a Mann filter the correct items would be Mann W7199 or Mann W81383

[Sandra F]

Although that filter type has the right thread and is roughly the right width etc. and it will filter the oil OK when running I don't believe it has any drain back valve. This feature is important as when the engine is at rest the filter will empty of oil . This momentarily stops (whilst the filter fills with oil again) oil getting to some parts on start-up and accelerates wear.

 

If you really wanted a Mann filter the correct items would be Mann W7199 or Mann W81383

[Sandra F]

A belated reply due to being away over Easter.

 

Actually, I have been pointed in the direction of a local supplier, who also said that the Mann W714/4 was wrong, which is ironic because that was fitted by RCR when my problems started last year! This is the same RCR who pointed me in the direction of Filtermania Ltd, Rose Business Park, Wolverhampton Road, Stafford as their local supplier, and I cannot praise enough their patience and helpfulness in helping me to get the right filter. And the chap who served me has a background in marine engines.

 

Cross checking direct from my Beta Marine manual references, he came up with their code LH0716 for the oil filter, which oddly enough is the one RCR said I should be using when they passed on the Filtermania contact; this after last summer fitting the wrong one for me.

 

Ho hum.

 

Anyway, stocked up now for our long spring/early summer cruise - thanks to everyone pointing me in the right direction.

 

Barry F