blackrose Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 7 hours ago, LadyG said: Not useless if your boat is 17.5m For once I agree with you. This forum is full of moaners. They moan if there are too many signs and they'd moan if there weren't enough signs and they got stuck because CRT hadn't made something clear enough. It's a poisoned chalice and they can't win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, blackrose said: For once I agree with you. This forum is full of moaners. They moan if there are too many signs and they'd moan if there weren't enough signs and they got stuck because CRT hadn't made something clear enough. It's a poisoned chalice and they can't win. But shouldn't it be in feet. The speed limit on canals is 4 mile per hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Tonka said: But shouldn't it be in feet. The speed limit on canals is 4 mile per hour. ¿Qué? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, blackrose said: For once I agree with you. This forum is full of moaners. They moan if there are too many signs and they'd moan if there weren't enough signs and they got stuck because CRT hadn't made something clear enough. It's a poisoned chalice and they can't win. I bet they'd moan even more if CART said "Right, we've listened to you, no more blue signs, in fact we're taking them all down!", then the government says to CART "You're failing to meet your KPI of attracting lots of the general public onto the canals, so we're cutting your grant by £10M a year", then CART says to boaters "Sorry, we're going to have to put up all your license fees by 30% to make up for the money we lost due to taking the blue signs down"... 😉 The "needless blue signs" are (mostly) not targeted at 35000 boaters, they're targeted at 65000000 non-boaters who nowadays are the real reason the Government funds the canals, as has been made obvious by Richard Parry and others -- and there's not a lot CART can do about this. Boaters on here moaning about how pointless they are and it's all CARTs fault either don't get this or don't want to admit it... 😞 Edited September 14, 2023 by IanD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, magnetman said: ¿Qué? I think the wooden 'mileposts' are metric, every kilometer, but I have seen standard concrete ones, and they are in miles, as on the restored Chesterfield, (Brindley 1777) One has to cope with all measurements , I've even seen folks measuring fuel consumption in gallons (UK imperial?), when fuel has been sold on the forecourt in litres since 1995. My rule of thumb is 1l per engine hour taken from the engine hour counter and which is only a rough guide. . Edited September 14, 2023 by LadyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted September 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 19 minutes ago, Tonka said: But shouldn't it be in feet. The speed limit on canals is 4 mile per hour. It ought at least face the winding hole , and can then be read from both directions, I wondered if there were a winding hole 17miles away with a post 17miles on the other side of it. Does it need to be so big, so high up, so blue? So ugly? I couldn’t spot anywhere to wind with so much over growth. Pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 22 minutes ago, IanD said: I bet they'd moan even more if CART said "Right, we've listened to you, no more blue signs, in fact we're taking them all down!", then the government says to CART "You're failing to meet your KPI of attracting lots of the general public onto the canals, so we're cutting your grant by £10M a year", then CART says to boaters "Sorry, we're going to have to put up all your license fees by 30% to make up for the money we lost due to taking the blue signs down"... 😉 The "needless blue signs" are (mostly) not targeted at 35000 boaters, they're targeted at 65000000 non-boaters who nowadays are the real reason the Government funds the canals, as has been made obvious by Richard Parry and others -- and there's not a lot CART can do about this. Boaters on here moaning about how pointless they are and it's all CARTs fault either don't get this or don't want to admit it... 😞 So why do non boaters need to know the size of the winding hole. Most do not even know what a winding hole is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) Signs are a branding thing.. I remember when the NRA (not the gun lobby) became the EA on the Thames back in about 1996. Prior to that the Thames Conservancy and Thames water had put in some really nice high quality signage. Tin enamel and cast aluminium stuff. No messing about. When the EA came in some of the signs were stickered over but lock signs and basic things like channel markers were replaced with awful crappy printed dibond panels. Text too small and it all looks shite. Sometimes the replacement of signs due to rebranding is a significant detriment but one supposes worse things do happen at sea. Thames still works alright as far as I can see. Edited September 14, 2023 by magnetman edit to remove bean reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 39 minutes ago, magnetman said: ¿Qué? Clearly he meant to say 21,120 feet per hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tonka said: So why do non boaters need to know the size of the winding hole. Most do not even know what a winding hole is Most of the signs moaned about (and posted on CWDF) are not about winding holes, they're about "public-friendly" things... -- which is exactly what I said, if you read it -- the clue was in the word "(mostly)"... Edited September 14, 2023 by IanD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, IanD said: Most of the signs moaned about are not about winding holes, they're about "public-friendly" things... Tunnel sizing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 Just now, Tonka said: Tunnel sizing ? <sigh> do you understand the meaning of the word "mostly"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) Signs are a branding thing.. The CRT probably do have to make the sinking tyre/broken polo mint thing more visible in order to make life better by water. People need guidance. A sinking tyre and/or a broken polo mint arrr excellent devices to achieve this end. Edited September 14, 2023 by magnetman edit to remove sex reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted September 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 minute ago, IanD said: <sigh> do you understand the meaning of the word "mostly"? do you understand the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Goliath said: do you understand the thread? BSF OR BSW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 Metric is fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted September 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 Just now, Tonka said: BSF OR BSW 😃 I’ll go Whitworth ? Was that one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 Of coarse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted September 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 Wuff then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 I don't know M8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted September 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 This’ll do me nut in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterScott Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 35 minutes ago, Goliath said: This’ll do me nut in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Goliath said: do you understand the thread? Yes. Do you understand English? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, IanD said: Yes. Do you understand English? 😉 clearly you do not, as you can not tell the difference between most & mostly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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