Canal Crime, is it getting Worse

[saltysplash]

Spot on, Malc, but no supernatural influence required. The Golden Rule is still the Golden Rule!

 

Ian

 

PS 'The meek shall inherit the earth - if that's all right with you chaps'

 

 

bloody meek.....what have they ever done for us?

Edited September 12, 2007 by saltysplash

[Supermalc]

Blimey Malcolm, not sure if you are taking the french or not.

 

Assuming not, then because christians are idolaters that counts all of them out as inheritors for a start.

 

So who is left to inherit the kingdom of god?

regards

Steve

 

No Steve ........ not taking the piss, however I'm not preaching either. Yes the choice of words can be twisted to mean anything, hence we have to rely on our conscience to understand their true meaning.

 

Anyway I am a Christian, because I believe in God and Jesus, but ....... I'm not a 'member' of a denomination. I also do not believe other 'religions' are 'wrong'. There are billions of people, living totally different lives, in totally different conditions. So why on earth can't there be one God, but having different names for different groups? (And yes I know of the quote from the Christian bible)

 

If anyone wants to start a fight they will ...... finding any excuse e.g. Wot you lookin at. So why not use religion as an excuse. Anyone genuinely religious will not fight.

 

So who's left????????? me I suppose (said cheekily, and a bit tongue in cheek)

[magnetman]

Edited to remove irreverent - irrevelent - irrelevant comment

Edited September 12, 2007 by magnetman

[KenK]

If the lord comes on my boat like a thief in the night they might regret it when they meet my Dog, who will strike them down and bring them unto me for vengeant punishment.

 

Yes, then the police will shoot your dog, arrest you for keeping a dangerous animal, and the thief will sue you! Who said crime doesn't pay?

 

 

Ken

[saltysplash]

Yes, then the police will shoot your dog, arrest you for keeping a dangerous animal, and the thief will sue you! Who said crime doesn't pay?

 

 

Ken

 

 

Police dont shoot dogs, it looks bad in the papers and upsets the public over their breakfast

[JohnEW2912]

Weekending - not sure if it has been discussed elsewhere but how do you do it? i.e.

 

- tactical stops near stations?

- how do you choose your mooring for the 2 week period?

- is the boat alarmed

 

I never had the confidence to do it when we had the boat and for no logical reason - only that paranoid fear that on approach to the boat after 2 weeks it would be a smouldering carcass - daft I know !

 

As you say fear is worse than actual - my wife's parents are obsessive door lockers - I once popped out to the car parked in their drive and when I got back to the house door it had been re-locked !!

 

There is a great deal of trust with boats and boaters, indeed, my gas lockers wouldn't lock.

 

The only things I ever had stolen were a manky old mop and a lifebouy.

 

To pinch the Nike adline - just do it!

 

To give you some examples this, as I remember it, is where we have left the boat this year on a trip from Rufford to Limehouse and (almost) back: -

 

Parbold for 48 hours

Castlefield, Manchester for 10 days (with a side trip to the FA Cup semi-final at old Trafford by boat in the middle).

Lymm for a week

Wincham Wharf, Northwich - this was for the boat to be repainted

By Rumps lock, Middlewich - 2 weeks, inadvertently as we had a breakdown (broken drive plate)

Kidsgrove - 2 weeks

Weston - 2 weeks

Glascote locks Tamworth - 2 weeks

Islington visitor moorings, London - 5 days

Paddington basin 2 weeks (I know you're only allowed 7 days officially but the BW office at Paddington are very flexible if you have a genuine reason for not being able to stick to 7 days

Berkhamstead - 2 weeks

Fenny Stratford - 2 weeks

Castlefield, Manchester - 1 week

Parbold - since last Sunday - to be moved back to Rufford this weekend

 

Most of the above were accessed by a combination of lifts and car shuffling from our home in Preston. We used trains at Kidsgrove, Tamworth, Berkhamstead, Fenny Stratford and London, helped by the fact that the west coast main line from Preston follows the route of the canal most of the way. Most of the northern locations we already knew. From Tamworth south we used Waterscape to find 14 day mooring sites and then matched them to train stations. Some of the visitor moorings have moorings wardens which we have found out about by default, which provide considerable peace of mind. I guess you could always track down the location of these via BW offices.

 

You always have a slight nervousness when going back to your boat that it won't be there or will be as you say a smouldering wreck but nothing has happened to us in 5 seasons, other than some wags untying the ropes at the Navigation pub at Gathurst and the boat lying on the wrong side of the canal. We don't have an alarm.

[StoneHenge]

I think as most thieves or vandals don't really have a consicence, then it won't matter how good your alarm system is, or anything else. If they want it, and the opportunity is there, they will take it.

 

You just try and make yourself look as unappealing as poss in the meantime. We drive an old escort. Our last one was red with bright yellow, orange and pink flowers painted all over it, cow print car seat covers, fluffy dice and stuck out like a sore thumb. Several months before we did this to the poor thing, broken into. Since then, nothing.

 

Not sure what to do with the new one yet, but no-one has even looked sideways at it.

[chris w]

We drive an old escort. Our last one was red with bright yellow, orange and pink flowers painted all over it, cow print car seat covers, fluffy dice and stuck out like a sore thumb. Several months before we did this to the poor thing, broken into. Since then, nothing.

 

I tried something similar with the Bentley but to no avail!

 

Chris

[cugsey]

AND LO THE LORD SHALL SAY TO THEM

BE NOT AT REST IN THY FIELDS FOR THE WHORE OF BABYLON SHALL BE AMONGST YOU

AND BEGOTTEN BY YOUR FLOCK

LET NOT CRAVEN IMAGES BE THY TEMPLE FOR I AM THE LORD THY GOD

AND MY HOUSE SHALL RID OF THE WASTERS

 

duteronamy 12:8

[magnetman]

Life of Brian isn't it?

[allybsc]

BE NOT AT REST IN THY FIELDS FOR THE WHORE OF BABYLON SHALL BE AMONGST YOU

duteronamy 12:8

 

Sounds quite a party girl that "whore of Babylon" she likes wine, water and only shags kings, rather spend time with her than your usual god squadders, ta very much

Revelation chapter 17,

“ the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication."

 

Ally.

[carlt]

We drive an old escort. Our last one was red with bright yellow, orange and pink flowers painted all over it, cow print car seat covers, fluffy dice and stuck out like a sore thumb.

 

One vandal won't defile another's work.

It's their unwritten code.

[saltysplash]

Be not conformed to this world, But be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, That ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable and perfect, will of God.

 

Romans 12 v2

 

Passage written in the front leaf of a book given to me by mumsie and pater Christmas 1980

 

and so i refer reader to my earlier post

 

It is civility and courtesy that is lacking these days

[John Orentas]

This topic drifted into the weekending issue halfway through. I will try and bring it back. I have always found that when looking for a location at which to leave your boat for a week or so.

 

Always moor alongside a church, it is so reassuring and comforting to see the Holy Spirit hovering over it as you leave.

[Chertsey]

I was just wondering yesterday why religion never raises its (insert adjective of choice) head on this forum and then... wooo! Big time! Big font!

 

Rules and laws whether backed by state or supernatural force are no substitute for natural human compassion and decency; thankfully, most of us do have enough of that, whether through good upbringing and/or natural sympathy. Those who don't ... well, there's enough views about how we deal with them elsewhere on the forum. But leaving it to god won't help the rest of us much in the here and now, no matter how much we (i.e. you; I don't believe it at all) may believe transgressors are going to suffer in the next life.

[chris w]

Be not conformed to this world, But be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, That ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable and perfect, will of God.

 

Romans 12 v2

 

Passage written in the front leaf of a book given to me by mumsie and pater Christmas 1980

 

Sounds like they needed deep psychological help!!

 

Chris

[saltysplash]

Sounds like they needed deep psychological help!!

 

Chris

 

 

 

I think they thought they got their help from a higher plain

 

 

i dont agree with their veiws but they took comfort from it and thats good enough for me.

 

right and wrong were clearly defined in our house. woe betide any young sprog thinking otherwise.

[CanalWalker]

As far as this end of the L-L canal it much better than it used to be. Not so long ago the towpath had to be kept locked up and there was a lot of rubbish dumped in it. The area has been successfully redeveloped over the years. Its probably safer now than at any time in the last 150 years.

[ChrisPy]

Always moor alongside a church, it is so reassuring and comforting to see the Holy Spirit hovering over it as you leave.

how about decking your boat out to look like a mobile chapel. would that keep the vermin at bay?

a few design ideas - 10ft tall crucifix over the cratch? stained glass portholes?

[cugsey]

The Rev ian paisley was giving a sermon

at his local free church of ireland hall

as usual it was typical fire and brimstone

the congregation hanging on his every word

Rev Paisley(in an ulster accent) " ... and there will be a great gnarling and a gnashing of teeth..."

little old 90y old woman ".. but Dr paisley i dont have any teeth"

Rev Paisley looked straight at the woman and bellowed "Teeth will be provided"

[Mick_B]

The Rev ian paisley was giving a sermon

at his local free church of ireland hall

as usual it was typical fire and brimstone

the congregation hanging on his every word

Rev Paisley(in an ulster accent) " ... and there will be a great gnarling and a gnashing of teeth..."

little old 90y old woman ".. but Dr paisley i dont have any teeth"

Rev Paisley looked straight at the woman and bellowed "Teeth will be provided"

 

 

I see he has gotten teeth and learned to smile for the camera at last... So much anger in the past.

 

Mick

[Maffi]

Actually we are ......... however

 

Until all societies follow the simple guidlines, thing will always get worse.

 

Oh! what are they, well here's yet another copy of them.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

It really is that simple............

 

 

But where does that leave boaters?

[RichardH]

You always have a slight nervousness when going back to your boat that it won't be there or will be as you say a smouldering wreck but nothing has happened to us in 5 seasons, other than some wags untying the ropes at the Navigation pub at Gathurst and the boat lying on the wrong side of the canal. We don't have an alarm.

 

Thanks for that. Quite quite unbelievably the only place we have ever been untied was the Navigation at Gathurst....................perhaps it is the posh house opposite that doesn't really like us boaters !!

[KenK]

But where does that leave boaters?

 

In your case, reading your blog recently I believe you come under the sub-heading "pervert"

 

Ken

[tomsk]

You see ........ as soon as religion is mentioned, most people spit the dummy aka Good grief, you really are a sick puppy

 

However FORGETTING where it came from, just think logically for a moment.

 

We all have a conscience, even though most now overcome this feeling of guilt when they do wrong.

 

This is to teach us right from wrong. We are born with this gift. Plus we are taught by our elders from their experience. Just because they haven't learnt from it (look at the mess our society is in) and so don't teach their offspring right from wrong ....... look at all the winging, even on here 'going too fast' 'no respect for others' etc. etc.

 

So what is so wrong in not stealing from others, becoming a drunk or a druggie incapable of supporting yourself, meeting a person of the opposite sex and staying with them, forming a 'family' where right and wrong are taught. This includes not trying to hurt the person you are with i.e. shagging around. Or valuing false gods ..... money, boats, cars etc. etc.

 

Trying to make our world a better, rather than a worse place surely cannot be wrong.

 

This is your 'freedom of choice' that is talked about so much ....... you can either try to do right; or not. Your choice.

 

I am not spitting the dummy, dummy. All organised religion is extremely suspect and to be avoided in my veiw. I have no problem with those who follow any religion or indeed none, but proselysing and using the imaginary word of an imaginary deity to justify a way of life, political decisions or in fact anything is twisted and wrong-headed.

 

All the points you make about 'behaving well' are encapsulated in a belief system called 'humanism', read up on it, it's interesting and viable and involves taking responsibility for your actions, try it someday brother , you may learn something about your part in the general scheme of things.