Brigantine

[Edward_M]

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Out of respect for the builder, I'm no longer asking for feedback on boatbuilders. Thanks.

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[Edward_M]

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[cuthound]

Tyler Wilson are a very respected boat builder. Don't be put off by their websiteam, boat building is still pretty much a cottage industry. All low volume builders.

[Edward_M]

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[Joe Bourke]

Finesse Boats look like they are connected to Tyler Wilson. Same address and Jonathan has a son called Louis, a director of Finesse.

[Edward_M]

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[peterboat]

I know jonny well 12 years or so i think he has Finnese boats in his yard working in the middle shed, only the other week had a look around their work it looked very nice to say the least. I know they are flat out at the moment, which is maybe why their website is sparse, i can if you wish take pictures of boats in build and post them on here for you to see as i will be down there later this week.

[Edward_M]

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[Northernboater]

Finesse are based in Jonathans Yard and are fitting his boats out for customers. Why go for a 70ft? I would go for the 60ftx12ft. you'd be far better off with the 60ft in terms of price, ease of use, moorings and resale. A 70ft will restrict you quite a bit. The Brigantine is the dearest of the shells, Have you looked at his Sheffield shells?

 

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[RLWP]

so I believe 70 x 12 is as large as I’d want to go.

 

 

That is a very large canal boat

 

Richard

[Edward_M]

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[widebeamboy]

Where are you going to be moored? You can use wider than 12' on the River Lea as there are some 14' footers floating around CC'ing.

 

The resale on a 70x12 on a residential mooring in London will bring you a tidy profit as your boat will have gone up quite a bit just by putting it on the mooring.

[Edward_M]

Mooring is central London marina - what's salinity like at Canary Wharf? Salt anodes or freshwater?

[peterboat]

No thanks, I've just found out the companies are related and so that is enough to reassure me about their quality. I will stick with them.

ummm.. how do i delete a post?

 

 

Finesse are based in Jonathans Yard and are fitting his boats out for customers. Why go for a 70ft? I would go for the 60ftx12ft. you'd be far better off with the 60ft in terms of price, ease of use, moorings and resale. A 70ft will restrict you quite a bit. The Brigantine is the dearest of the shells, Have you looked at his Sheffield shells?

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Curves cost money jonnys words not mine and the brigantine looks so much nicer than a sheffield size boat and having sailed both it sails better old adage pay more get more very true in this case

[Edward_M]

Where are you going to be moored? You can use wider than 12' on the River Lea as there are some 14' footers floating around CC'ing.

 

The resale on a 70x12 on a residential mooring in London will bring you a tidy profit as your boat will have gone up quite a bit just by putting it on the mooring.

I hope so, in that I hope putting a good, interesting boat on a good mooring offsets some of the depreciation of living on it for 5-10 years.

[bizzard]

It'll be a terrible fag keep getting those masts down to shoot the bridges. And you'll get in an awful tangle with all the ropes.

[Edward_M]

 

 

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Curves cost money jonnys words not mine and the brigantine looks so much nicer than a sheffield size boat and having sailed both it sails better old adage pay more get more very true in this case

I think the curves are worth it. Some of the newer widebeams on offer look like boxes on water (no offense to anyone who has one - it's a personal taste thing).

 

I've heard from many people that the handling of the Brigantine is like that of a small dutch barge - excellent

It'll be a terrible fag keep getting those masts down to shoot the bridges. And you'll get in an awful tangle with all the ropes.

LMAO - yes but I can raid other boaters for plunder and wenches.... aarrgh!

I think the curves are worth it. Some of the newer widebeams on offer look like boxes on water (no offense to anyone who has one - it's a personal taste thing).

 

I've heard from many people that the handling of the Brigantine is like that of a small dutch barge - excellent

LMAO - yes but I can raid other boaters for plunder and wenches.... aarrgh!

Can you still buy cannons?

[widebeamboy]

you don't need to put a good or even an interesting boat on a residential mooring to make good money, an average one will do that and even a naff one will. Personally I wouldn't buy new for a first canal boat. It was some of the absolute best advice I received when I started my hunt a year or so ago. All the things I thought I would need, I don't and I had been looking at the higher end boats with built in coffee machines and microwaves etc.

 

I might buy a new one now, however we found we hardly cruised due to other requirements on our time in last year and a bit so I will likely replace with a Dutch barge/Spitz style in the regions of 30m x 5m to maximise my mooring berth (length only restricted by size of the lock)

[RLWP]

It is... but my priorities are for a permanent residence on a permanent mooring, with the option of K&A and Grand Union, Regents etc... not too far. 70' should be fine on those...?

 

OK, that makes sense.

 

Last time I saw the Regents canal, it was moored three abreast - or one widebeam and a narrowboat.

 

Richard

[Edward_M]

Thank you all, but post closed now as the original post was asking for advice on boatbuilders - decision has now been made.

 

Thanks
Ed

[widebeamboy]

Mooring is central London marina - what's salinity like at Canary Wharf? Salt anodes or freshwater?

 

Are you going to be in Poplar dock? The residents there will be best placed to really advise as the lock gets a lot of traffic however it is some distance from the actual marina so I doubt it is that salty as such. Also if it is Poplar dock do you know that you cannot just come in and out as you please? You need to book and be escorted by the Canary Wharf estate boats. Most of the Poplar moorers rarely move.

[Edward_M]

 

Are you going to be in Poplar dock? The residents there will be best placed to really advise as the lock gets a lot of traffic however it is some distance from the actual marina so I doubt it is that salty as such. Also if it is Poplar dock do you know that you cannot just come in and out as you please? You need to book and be escorted by the Canary Wharf estate boats. Most of the Poplar moorers rarely move.

Brentford to start, Limehouse in a year. I understand restrictions are similar

However I've been told no Solid Fuel burning in Brentford - is this standard for marinas?

[Northernboater]

I really like the shape and handling of the Brigantine (according to someone who's handled one, whom I trust) as opposed to the flatsided Sheffield Keel.

 

The 70' is because of my requirements. I have a lot of family in London and want them to be able to stay over - which means two bedrooms plus large dinning, plus living... 60' just isn't enough.

It looks like you will not be moving much then and just want it as residential. 70ft x 12ft is a big boat and you will be very much restricted where you can go. Mainly the Thames and not much canal work.

[Edward_M]

It looks like you will not be moving much then and just want it as residential. 70ft x 12ft is a big boat and you will be very much restricted where you can go. Mainly the Thames and not much canal work.

I thought those dimensions are fine for K&A and Grand Union / Regents etc ....?

[widebeamboy]

Not from Limehouse, you can go as you wish up the Regents or the Lea unless you want to go out on the Thames and then it is just about timing with tides and booking the lock, no need for an escort. It isn't something many people do, as it has some serious risks etc.

 

You'll be doing very well to bring a new boat into Limehouse as its full with a list, however it isn't impossible as it is exactly what I did just over a year ago. Its a great place to be based.